I say ban commercial collection and you say banning agenda. What's the difference? You keep saying HCU has a banning agenda, if I took that to mean banning commercial collection how can you blame me?

Another thing is you are taking things that members have done with their own time and money and blaming it on HCU. What one or a few members do on their own time does not consitute an HCU agenda. As I understand it the member you spoke of did not use HCU to ban collection of box turtles. He did it through another organization that had nothing to do with HCU. HCU has never sought to ban collection box turtles. If a member of USARK was for banning collection box turtles and pursued it on their own time or with a separate organization would you condem USARK even if USARK wasn't for banning box turtles? Hence your thing about the safety net doesn't apply either because HCU is not seeking to ban the breeding of box turtles either.

Nor is it hypocritical for an HCU member to sell a wc animal. That sentence does not tell members what they can and can't do on their own time. It tells people that HCU, the organization, does not promote wc sales. What that means is that HCU, the organization, does not use it's influence or money to promote the sales of wc's. I understand that you don't like the fact that HCU doesn't promote commercial collecting but that doesn't justify you making personal attacks on certain members by calling them hypocrites.

You are using the things that members do on their own time and with their own money, persueing their own agenda that is separate from anything HCU does, and applying it to HCU. That is not fair to HCU.

As far as the white and black list, it is possible to support the concept of it and still disagree with what goes in what catagory. The member you spoke of who you say supports it has also said he only supports prohibiting the collection of a species only when they have real data that shows a species needs protection from collection. That is a very significant point that adds context; by you leaving that out it totally changes the meaning of what he said which is also not fair.
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