I agree but I was referring to state Endangered and Threatened lists not the Federal ESA. Maybe I should have clarified. I have also stated that for those species that they are concerned about they can institute some reasonable bag limits rather then an out right ban. Further, you never want to ban captive propagation. You can institute other management tools like limits or restrictions on where you can collect, trapping methods and what age classes you can collect. I was also directly talking about the White and Black List which has many species on the Black List with no collection threat, wideranges, and are abundantly common. That is regulation just for the sake of regulation. Other issues with protecting a species just because it has a limited range include: the gray banded king, mottled rock rattlesnake and green ratsnake that are protected in New Mexico because of limited range. A large majority of the habitat they occur in is inaccessable combined with their cryptic nature guarantee they can never be over collected thus protection is not warrented. I firmly believe that if a species cannot be sustainably harvested in some number then it probably should be listed as Endangered and Threatened at the state level.

Welkerii

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