You have provided no proof that HCU supports any of those things. The legislation that HCU has lobbied for speaks clearly as to what it, as an organization, is fighting for. As I said before you are taking individuals members personal thoughts and saying that they apply to HCU. HCU has not supported a ban on collecting box turtles; there are a few members who have, on this forum expressed their own personal opinions for it. If HCU the organization supported a ban on box turtle collecting and breeding the leadership would have been speaking to TPWD and legislators trying to get it done and would have asked members to write letters on that behalf. Same goes for the white and black list, those things have not happened. All there is is one, or maybe a couple, members who have posted their own thoughts in favor of it on this forum. Any organization is bound to have members that differ in opinion on things, especially when those things are ones that are not part of the organizations purpose. You may as well blame HCU for not supporting tiger and monkey ownership because those things, just like commercial collection, are not what HCU was designed to support. Once again, it does not mean a member can't do those things, on their own time outside the organization and provided they are legal, it just means HCU doesn't politically support(ie. fight legislation against) those things.

What bothers me is your posts give people the impression that if they join HCU or donate money to HCU, they will be asked to lobby for bans like the box turtle one, or they think their donations will be spent on lobbying for bans on commercial collecting that have not been supported by real data. That isn't the case but they will be able to have and support their own opinions on those things in addition to what they will be helping HCU fight for, which is their ability to recreationally collect and propagate herps.
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