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RE: heterodon morphs

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Posted by: Rextiles at Mon Nov 15 17:03:19 2010   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Rextiles ]  
   

I would say that that is a fairly accurate listing of the majority of known, or fairly established Western Hognose morphs. However, I would like to clarify these combos a little bit better:
Snow (Common alb x anery) - Recessive
Ghost (Hypo / t pos x anery) - Recessive
Smolder (True Hybino) (True Hypo x Common Albino) - Recessive
Tangerine Pink?? (Pink Pastel x Hypo / T pos) - Recessive


While it is true that these are all Recessive genes to the Wild Caught genotype, they are also Incomplete Dominant when mixed with each other, this is why we are getting a new color phenotype when we pair these traits together. If these genes were truly Recessive, then they would be Recessive to each other as well, that would mean that one of those genes would have to be Dominant to the other and only that Dominant trait would show through. Please see my other post here that goes into more detail explaining the hierarchy of these traits, especially the differences between Codominance and Incomplete Dominance. In a way, it's not really that much different than your mentioning the mixes of the following Anaconda mixed traits:
Common Albino Anaconda / anery Anaconda / "pink panther" Pink pastel anaconda - mix of recessive and codom
Extreme Red Conda - mix of codom, recessive, and line traits


I tend to understand that these genetic traits are more of a hierarchal system than anything else, a Dominant trait doesn't necessarily mean that that particular trait will prove out Dominant to everything genetically possible, it just means that it's Dominant to every gene that we currently have proven it against. And it gets a little more confusing with the Codominant and Incomplete Dominant terminology as these are generally a blend of at least 2 traits that are competing with each visually. While a trait such as an Albino might prove Recessive to the Dominant Wild Caught genotype, it is entirely an Incomplete Dominant gene when mixed with another Recessive genotype such as an Axanthic; this is why we get a Snow which is a blend of the two colors merging together to produce a completely different phenotype (which is exactly how Incomplete Dominance is defined).

It's also quite possible, but so far non-existant and/or unproven, that there might be other yet unknown genes that might prove to be Recessive to other known Recessive genes (to Wild Caught), for example let's say, Albinos which would then make the Albino gene Dominant to those particular newly discovered genes. While I wouldn't say that this is probable, it is in theory possible.
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