Yeah, I think they are a definitely a noteworthy race that certainly deserves it's own recognition, but In more recent years I tend to think they are more than likely a form of "clinal variant" of the Yellow Ratsnake. Similar to what the brooksi is to floridana. Very distinct looking from one another, but both 100% floridana nonetheless.

I will still always refer to them as Everglades rats, just like I will always refer to the lighter/yellower floridana as brooksi as they were originally described many years ago. It is much easier to distinguish what someone is talking about this way, and helps eliminate confusion in conversations in my opinion.



~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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• Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Tue Nov 23 13:02:00 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 14:52:10 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Tue Nov 23 15:28:23 2010
• I'm with Jeff on this one - draybar, Tue Nov 23 16:45:20 2010
• RE: I'm with Jeff on this one - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 17:28:05 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - DMong, Tue Nov 23 19:17:55 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 19:36:45 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - DMong, Wed Nov 24 01:38:49 2010
• closeup of Jeff's hypo - DMong, Wed Nov 24 02:02:33 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Wed Nov 24 20:45:51 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Wed Nov 24 21:18:02 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - tspuckler, Fri Nov 26 07:48:04 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Fri Nov 26 20:31:10 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Fri Nov 26 20:42:23 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 06:16:55 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Sat Nov 27 18:56:46 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - draybar, Sat Nov 27 09:34:30 2010
• not conant and collins - draybar, Sat Nov 27 09:41:32 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 10:35:43 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 10:36:42 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - tspuckler, Sat Nov 27 11:38:19 2010
• Oh, and one more thing... - tspuckler, Sat Nov 27 12:03:39 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - draybar, Sat Nov 27 16:16:14 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - goombasreptiles, Sat Nov 27 16:41:02 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - DMong, Sat Nov 27 17:27:27 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - cochran, Sat Nov 27 19:05:15 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 09:14:21 2010
• Agreed... - foxturtle, Sun Nov 28 01:30:20 2010
• RE: Agreed... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 09:22:09 2010
• No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Sun Nov 28 01:20:07 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - tspuckler, Sun Nov 28 10:44:08 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - RichardHurtz, Sun Nov 28 15:20:32 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - tspuckler, Sun Nov 28 17:23:35 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - RichardHurtz, Sun Nov 28 18:06:59 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 18:40:54 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Tue Nov 30 02:07:44 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Tue Nov 30 01:59:18 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - goombasreptiles, Thu Dec 2 16:54:43 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - PeeBee, Fri Dec 3 00:37:36 2010