My point was that it is all anecdotal. Guys like Bill Love and Tom Crutchfield will tell you that yellows have always been found side by side with Glades. They are certainly well-known and respected.

As far as Glades Rats being found in present day, the first rat snake I found south of Lake Okeechobee was a perfect Glades Rat. I was surprised because popular literature said they didn't exist anymore. I have herped that area extensively over the last 7 years and have seen hundreds of rat snakes from out there. You've got about a 1 in 10 chance of finding something that looks like a Glades, and occasional one turns up that rivals the best captive specimens. The captive specimens are just selective bred to be awesome. The original description for Everglades Rats was a lot more forgiving than hobbyists are.

A photo of one I collected with Daniel Parker is shown on his website ( the adult sitting on dirt):

http://www.sunshineserpents.com/Rat snakes/Everglades Rat.htm

Here's a photo of 3 rat snakes sporting different looks we found together under the same piece of bark

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• Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Tue Nov 23 13:02:00 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 14:52:10 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Tue Nov 23 15:28:23 2010
• I'm with Jeff on this one - draybar, Tue Nov 23 16:45:20 2010
• RE: I'm with Jeff on this one - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 17:28:05 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - DMong, Tue Nov 23 19:17:55 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - GoombasReptiles, Tue Nov 23 19:36:45 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - DMong, Wed Nov 24 01:38:49 2010
• closeup of Jeff's hypo - DMong, Wed Nov 24 02:02:33 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Wed Nov 24 20:45:51 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Wed Nov 24 21:18:02 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - tspuckler, Fri Nov 26 07:48:04 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Fri Nov 26 20:31:10 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - goombasreptiles, Fri Nov 26 20:42:23 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 06:16:55 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - cochran, Sat Nov 27 18:56:46 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - draybar, Sat Nov 27 09:34:30 2010
• not conant and collins - draybar, Sat Nov 27 09:41:32 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 10:35:43 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - pgcc0912, Sat Nov 27 10:36:42 2010
• RE: Help with ID please - tspuckler, Sat Nov 27 11:38:19 2010
• Oh, and one more thing... - tspuckler, Sat Nov 27 12:03:39 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - draybar, Sat Nov 27 16:16:14 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - goombasreptiles, Sat Nov 27 16:41:02 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - DMong, Sat Nov 27 17:27:27 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - cochran, Sat Nov 27 19:05:15 2010
• RE: Oh, and one more thing... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 09:14:21 2010
• Agreed... - foxturtle, Sun Nov 28 01:30:20 2010
• RE: Agreed... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 09:22:09 2010
• No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Sun Nov 28 01:20:07 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - tspuckler, Sun Nov 28 10:44:08 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - RichardHurtz, Sun Nov 28 15:20:32 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - tspuckler, Sun Nov 28 17:23:35 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - RichardHurtz, Sun Nov 28 18:06:59 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - DMong, Sun Nov 28 18:40:54 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Tue Nov 30 02:07:44 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - foxturtle, Tue Nov 30 01:59:18 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - goombasreptiles, Thu Dec 2 16:54:43 2010
• RE: No disrepect intended... - PeeBee, Fri Dec 3 00:37:36 2010