I am just of the opinion that the darker Yellow Rat Snakes found at the northern parts of the range are not intergrades. I realize this is at odds with a lot of hobbyists as anything that looks "greenish" is usually called an intergrade.

I don't think it is impossible that Jim's snakes are intergrades, but they do not really display any traits that are not within the Yellow Rat Snake's realm of variation.

And as I said previously, I have actual field experience finding rat snakes in North Carolina and South Carolina. I have found rat snakes 80 miles west of Conway that were Yellow with black blotches. If Jim is finding pure black rat snakes 15 miles west of his location, I'd like to see pictures too!

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• greenish ratsnake picts - Sonya, Sun Dec 5 13:47:44 2010
• awesome Sonya! - DMong, Sun Dec 5 16:39:11 2010
• awesome Sonya and Doug - monklet, Mon Dec 6 09:50:46 2010
• RE: awesome Sonya and Doug - DMong, Mon Dec 6 10:46:58 2010
• BTW...... - DMong, Sun Dec 5 22:50:53 2010
• By Range... - foxturtle, Mon Dec 6 12:57:28 2010
• NOPE! - DMong, Mon Dec 6 13:47:12 2010
• Nope? - foxturtle, Mon Dec 6 16:30:03 2010
• RE: Nope? - Godfrey, Tue Dec 7 20:32:04 2010
• RE: Nope? - foxturtle, Tue Dec 7 20:43:18 2010
• RE: Nope? - Sonya, Wed Dec 8 11:52:58 2010
• RE: Nope? - DMong, Wed Dec 8 11:54:58 2010
• Just to the west... - Foxturtle, Wed Dec 8 17:39:41 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - DMong, Wed Dec 8 18:08:23 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - foxturtle, Wed Dec 8 20:34:58 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - DMong, Wed Dec 8 22:31:26 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - draybar, Thu Dec 9 17:17:03 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - DMong, Thu Dec 9 17:42:20 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - draybar, Thu Dec 9 18:06:22 2010
• Very cool! - DMong, Thu Dec 9 18:11:39 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - foxturtle, Fri Dec 10 08:52:43 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - DMong, Fri Dec 10 13:07:53 2010
• Not faith, Doug... - foxturtle, Sun Dec 12 20:47:11 2010
• RE: Just to the west... - Godfrey, Thu Dec 9 18:40:50 2010
• RE: Nope? - Godfrey, Wed Dec 8 14:33:54 2010
• Interesting Topic!!! - KevinM, Thu Dec 9 10:28:20 2010
• RE: BTW...... - Sonya, Mon Dec 6 21:03:05 2010
• RE: BTW...... - DMong, Mon Dec 6 21:11:31 2010
• RE: BTW...... - Sonya, Tue Dec 7 12:44:44 2010
• RE: BTW...... - DMong, Tue Dec 7 13:49:38 2010
• RE: greenish ratsnake picts - Godfrey, Sat Dec 11 11:22:59 2010
• RE: greenish ratsnake picts - Sonya, Sun Dec 12 12:54:08 2010