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terryd
at Fri Dec 10 12:27:04 2010 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by terryd ]
Tony, let me start by saying that I didn't take your questions or comments as a dig at me at all. I've always respected your opinions and perspectives.
To your first point: The County the milk is tied back to is Elsworth Co. and it is a fair distance from the Flint hills, at least a full County away from where the Flint hills start. The Flint hills I would consider in the eastern half of Kansas. And I believe that the syspila influence doesn't show it's self on to gentilis until the eastern side of the Flint hills, at least prominently anyway.
As to your second point: I have to agree w/ you that gentilis and syspila are the same snake but different phase, but in my opinion (mind you this is my own opinion) syspila are a very different animal from gentilis. Sure they inhabit the same type of life cycles as other NA milks, and there is integrating between the two subspecies, but to me syspila are so much different in looks from gentilis that I've always considered them quite distinct from each other in a lot of ways. I'm not sure I can express myself in print well enough to make my point here. But it is how view syspila compared w/ other NA milks.
I find gentilis to be so closely like multistrata and taylori it's a wonder to me they have been sub-divided from gentilis. Oh, and it took me a long time to admit this to myself, and I still twitch when I do admit it.
Your third point: You make a valid point that a classic gentilis should have less red in the saddles. Most gentilis don't show that much red.
Thanks for your comments, and questions. You've made me reevaluate some of my thinking of NA milks.
-Dell
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RE: L. t. gentilis - terryd, Fri Dec 10 12:27:04 2010