Yes, they do greatly resemble Sinaloan's by general looks alone Don, but their RBR(red body ring)count is far too high and close together for sinaloae. Those look to be genuine pinner nelsoni. Dave Niles has some that have like 19 and 20 red body rings from what I saw, and the first red ring is far to short to be sialoae as well. They are just very abnormally thin rings.



The meristics for nelsoni are 13 to 18 RBR, and sinaloae are 10 to 16 RBR, so those are very high by even normal nelsoni standards. If they had wider arching over black rings, they would key-out extremely well for nelsoni. The thin rings really throws things off visually is all.



I would like to see what the underside of the throat looks like on them, as nelsoni usually have an incomplete, or extremely thin first black ring under the throat, ot at least very thinly connected. Many good examples of nelsoni have a huge notch missing underneath the throat in what would normally be the first black ring.



Sinaloans usually have a more thickly connected first black ring under the throat, and it often faces towards the snout in sort of a general "V" shape. Remember many years ago, I was at your table looking at the throats of a few of your nice sinaloan's?. That's what I was looking for, and yours did have the general connected "V" shape I am talking about. Your Sinaloans keyed-out VERY nicely in every single way.





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