Bob SaidAnd for being mislead, many people believe odatria to go from egg to egg in 4 months as read on this forum but they are mistaking early copulation/ dominance/social projecting for egg production.

Bob

Well Bob, I am the one who said that and I am the one who ACTUALLY DID THAT. But as normal, you take things out of context. Its not all odatria, I did in FACT, have several of the small species of odatria, V.storri, V.caudolineatus. V.kingorum, and V.gilleni, go from egg to egg, WHICH means, HATCH out of an egg and actually LAY eggs in 4months(give or take a few days)



As well as other odatria like, V.acanthurus, and V.pilbarensis, and kimberlys, go from egg to egg in the 6 to 7 month range.



Also, I had that occur and reported it, before you kept varanids.



You do understand Varanids are reptiles, and as such they are ectotherms. Which means, they are dependant on external conditions to achieve biological requirements. Which means, supporting conditions actually determine what level of metabolism they can obtain. In such, they have a potential range that can be expressed. minimum to maximum.



Those, the above times, were the fastest we had those species reach sexual maturity and actually deposit eggs(out of body) not cycle or form ovum. They were or are not the average time.



In that, reptiles have a potential range of abilities, Not a set number of days or eggs, or growth rate. They have a genetic low and a genetic maximum. I hope you can understand that.



What you achieve as an individual keeper, is based on WHAT SUPPORT you provide. That is, your results are based on YOUR individual suppport of your animals.



In my opinion, your a very controlling keeper, that is, you base all your methods on YOU. and not the animal. Please understand, you are successful. Which is great. But, because you withhold support of your animals, you do limit their POTENTIAL. That is a decision you make. Why you make that, got me.



No offense, and very simply put Bob. But even a braindead chimp could understand, that where I live is friggin hotter then where you live, So our animals are going to be exposed to more heat, for a much longer period. And that has nothing to do with me. Its just friggin hot here.



To add to that, WHERE THESE ANIMALS COME FROM, is also friggin HOT. So its their design to FUNCTION in that type of enviornment.



Just a simple explaination. We use deep nesting, WHY? because its so hot here that there is not way on earth that monitors would lay eggs in a nest box on the surface of the substrate. Its far too hot. So they must dig down into the substrate to find the proper temps. Again, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO IN NATURE. So while its inconvienent for me to dig way down for eggs, ITS THEIR DESIGN. So even something so simple as using nest boxes, does indeed stress these animals, WHY? because its contaray their normal behavior. But I am sure you cannot understand that.



My approach is to limit unnatural stresses, and offer as much support as I can. This approach is how I achieved the results I have. You know, by not TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.



As long as you hold back support and give them support because its what YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO, you will never allow the animals to explore the upper limit of their genetic potential.



Also, no offense again, but all the lines you work with, I had already established in captivity, long before you came along.



I will give you this, you do a really good job of taking controlling methods and MAKING THEM WORK. AGain, making them work is not exploring the potential of these animals.



Lastly, I do not believe we can surpass what these animals do in nature. As their genetic potential WAS DEVELOPED to THEIR natural CONDITIONS. That is, they cannot grow faster, or lay more eggs then what their genetic potential allows.



So please stop the whining like what you do is set in stone. Consider, your doing good, or OK, but without question your methods must be limiting these animals from reaching their full potential. What say you sir?



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