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at Sat Feb 12 16:02:48 2011 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Bob ]
Posted by: Nate83 at Sun Feb 6 23:05:52 2011 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Nate83 ] [ Log in to Follow this user on Connect ]
Bob, You really don't get it do you? Lack of UVB has never been cited as reason for success, only that worrying about such silly things as UVB bulbs distracts people from what it takes to breed them. And you are misqouting the qoute for success. It's Heat em and Feed em. Those 2 things when applied correctly get eggs unquestionably. Any idiot with enough food and a halfway decent cage setup can pump eggs from a varanid. Now hatchable eggs is a different story and where the nuances of monitor keeping come in. But the shear amount of food needed to pump eggs out like FR did in the 90's is mind boggling. If people actually learned monitor husbandry THAT would be the single variable prohibiting the excess amounts of odatria that you mention.
You mentioned that his methods are 20-30 years old. WTF does that matter. In those 20-30 years NONONE has matched his success. Oh yes but wait, you don't believe that do you. You see the overwhelming problem with your critiques of FR is that you don't even believe that he has produced what he has claimed, despite me providing you with PUBLISHED accounts. How can he present an argument to you of better methods if you doubt his results? Without being willing to accept his results any discussion between you guys is moot.
I haven't seen many true CBB frillies lately Bob, must mean you never had the results you once claimed. I mean if you had once bred the snot out of them they should now have the availability and price range of beardies...Right???
Yes, 20-30 yrs doesnt mean a thing except for nobody has had the urge to puppy mill the dwarfs like he and a few others once did or has not tried to? There is a huge differance in an insectavore varanid that produces 10 clutches a year verses a flavi that eats fully develeoped rodents 100% diet. The fact is the insectovore varanid is not getting enough D-3 calcium to sustain those 10 clutches and bad things can happen. This is where UVB comes in, Im sure I could always hold back hundreds of the rock monitors to replace all the girls Id be killing without UVB like the puppy mill mindset does but I choose not to. It can be done without UVB I know for a fact but the females will not last more then 3-4 years. Ive seen this on a large scale just like he speaks of him doing. In fact back in the day when kims were all over the place almost everyone I knew that had them got them from Rare Earth or Python Pete. As far as the frillies? They are very cheap now and the killer red ones I had are gone. They sell imports under 100 ea. Wouldnt be worth the food bill to even consider breeding them. If there were some nice red ones around, no doubt I would still have some, at least a pair. I know of his success, that is not even the issue or question here. But he does not differentuate between species and there is a differance between a kim and a flavi and Im not talking about size.
Bob
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RE: Copulation and Low Barametric Fronts - Bob, Sat Feb 12 16:02:48 2011