The problem is you apply monitors as being one in the same across the board [one species] as far as husbandry in most cases.

Ask someone who has really spent much more of there time with odatria about uvb in females and offspring, there answer will be far different then yours. Most knowledgeable people with the larger varanid species do know uvb is not necessary to breed them. Although in helodermids it is the same scenario as is the med-larger varanids proven no uvb needed. Yet the most successful breeder of helodermids in the world, well spoken and many books written, many articles written likes to use uvb on his gilas [Dr. Seward] because he knows it is part of the everyday life in the wild and does have some benefit. Nobody likes to spend money on bulbs they don't need but your all about choices and yet deny a real biggie without uvb in odatria. Fact is some of the other breeders told me you got out of the pilbaras because you lost all your females?? Hmmm? I have seen what multiple clutching does to odatria females with and without uvb and their is a difference. Although telling you this means nothing because you know it all, dun it all or seem to without uvb. Ask Doug price about the difference in his black head babies with and without uvb, I think you will find the same answers I have given. Not everyone on this forum is looking to produce on the scale you have and keeping is different if you have a pet's verses a disposable breeder's that you must hold back many offspring to ensure a continued success with. Anyway I know Bernd never intended to mass produce, his captives were kept along the lines of pets with study and focus on a given species followed by books. Yes there is a need for different opinions and experiences because not all newbies are out to copy what you once did. Some people are simply happy with a pair of a given species and enjoy them. If I had larger outdoor facilities I would have kept the flavis I once had but the space required by my likings would be greater then what I had for my beaded's. Point is it doesn't take thousands of hatching's to learn from these animals, I did set the new world record of largest clutch of beaded's with one viable pair, it can be done on a smaller scale but this is a topic you seem to land on with every post you make, seems you don't want anyone to ever forget. I have bred nothing but lizards for the last 25 yrs and there are alot of parallels with all of them, geckos included. The only reason I even post about this and take all of your crazy reactions is to let people know who think if they buy 3 kims or pilbaras,gilleni that they will not end up as 1.2 if kept in a group, heck from what I have seen they will be lucky not to kill them by doing so. We have proven these varanids are sex able at 3-4 weeks old and have been 100% on any sold or held back so now we can remove one myth [someone???] created about them back in your heyday. The uvb issue is a no brainier for anyone who has really kept these dwarfs for any length of time and has seen the difference. I think knowing the subtle differences in species makes the big difference here.

Bob

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