i wasn't trying to change you mind thomas. i'm kind of a lumper as well.



personally, i think sinaloae, nelsoni, arcifera, conanti, and campbelli (and western ruthveni - to a lesser extent) are all more closely related than what the current consensus would have us believe.



what i was saying was their 'personality' is different, and again this is just from my personal experience with the two, nelsoni aren't anywhere near as inquisitive as sinaloae - and i think it just has to do with differing evolutionary environments.



that's why i made the analogy with coastal vs desert cals. desert cals i've had in the past were more likely to musk when handled and eat whatever i put near them (dud eggs, their potential mates, my fingers) - while coastals were typically calmer (again, in my experience) and more handleable.



i agree with what you've said in the past about getula, being getula, being getula - but triangulum, on the other hand, needs a little redistricting.

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