I recently purchased 3 adults that were produced in 08 by Shannon. 2 of those are the photos you saw. I have 4 other adults that came from Stan Draper who got them directly from Applegate. All total 4 males and 3 females. Draper said that he was never able to breed them but I have eggs incubating now after the first try. I have 1 more female that I am hopeful about this year, will have to wait and see.

What gets me is none of the older arcifera from Applegate have much black like others I have seen including the ones from Shannon. It's like there are 2 color phases or just a lot of variation. attached are a couple of the older animals from Applegate.

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• Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - gerryg, Mon Jul 4 15:50:04 2011
• RE: Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - DMong, Mon Jul 4 18:27:31 2011
• RE: Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - TheColubridKid, Tue Jul 5 03:47:49 2011
• "L. t. arcifera"... - Sunherp, Tue Jul 5 09:35:23 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - DMong, Tue Jul 5 09:53:12 2011
• Sent off a message - gerryg, Tue Jul 5 10:46:17 2011
• Ditto, and did the same! - Sunherp, Tue Jul 5 10:50:24 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - wildlines, Tue Jul 5 12:45:30 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - KcTrader, Tue Jul 5 13:14:50 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - wildlines, Tue Jul 5 14:03:16 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - KcTrader, Tue Jul 5 16:44:09 2011
• RE: "L. t. arcifera"... - gerryg, Tue Jul 5 17:13:41 2011
• RE: Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - tspuckler, Tue Jul 5 18:09:25 2011
• RE: Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - kangaskritters, Fri Jul 8 18:31:03 2011
• RE: Black Panther Phase Nelson's? - wildlines, Tue Jul 19 08:41:00 2011