Thanks for not taking my comment as a huge slader first of all, as I was merely trying to see if you were aware of this.

Yes, your female has a very typical sinaloae phenotype, while the male has more of an outwardly typical nelsoni phenotype.

BTW, does your female have a thin completely connected first black ring under the throat(typically points toward snout), and does your male have an incomplete broken void "notch" in the first black ring under the throat?. Those are also some typically seen key features of either subspecies.

Also the low ring count and more vertical, thinner black rings, as well as the red rings not being obscured by black pigment in the tail portion of the female's tail point toward a much more sinaloae phenotype.

The male in the lower pic has much wider black rings arching outward more and also has black pigment obscuring the red rings in the tail past the cloaca. Some Sinaloans can also have black tails, but it is MUCH more common in nelsoni.

That is a nice looking clutch by the way......



regards, ~Doug
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