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hermanbronsgeest
at Tue Jan 17 08:38:52 2012 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by hermanbronsgeest ]
"All I can say is that those snakes come from a wellknown breeder of bullsnakes here in Belgium. If what you think is right well than I can say that a lot of bullsnakes here in Europe, normals and morphs are not pure bulls as this bloodline is the basis of a lot of bullsnakes sold overhere and some morphs animals in the US even originate from this bloodline."
Well there you go, John. I still remember the '80s and '90s, when Pits were imported regurlarly, mostly Sonoran Gophers mislabeled as Bullsnakes. More often than not, those few and far between Sonorans properly labeled by their retailers, got mislabeled as Bullsnakes by their perspective owners later on, as in Belgium and The Netherlands all Pituophis species are commonly refered to as 'Bullsnakes' regardless. I've seen San Diego Gophers being sold as Bullsnakes, I'm not kidding! So you can bet the bank that this perspective compromises the integrity of many if not most European bloodlines, especially the ones involving morphs.
"I'm a little bit surprised about what I'm reading here as I've put pictures of those adult before and nobody ever talked about Sonoran."
Problem here is that Sonoran Gophersnakes can be very similar to Bullsnakes morpholically. Also, where their ranges meet intergradation covers hundreds of miles. In fact, many of the 'Bullsnakes' from SW Texas are quite hard to distinguish from Sonorans without locality data. This makes any claims regarding a mixed origin all the more debatable. Also, we can safely say many, if not most, Dutch/Belgian hobbyists are... Well, like you mentioned earlier, let's just say they're no 'experts', LOL.
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RE: what's this - hermanbronsgeest, Tue Jan 17 08:38:52 2012