John,



We are all experts in varying degrees depending on how shallow or deep we are in the various aspects of Pit upkeep, breeding, field herping ventures etc.



What you have, based on your photos, are two very beautiful Pituophis that appear to have their origin or linage from bulls along the long contact zone that exists between bulls and Sonorans rather than from core (central) bull range based on details of shape, color and pattern. These animals most closely resemble (to me) the Sonoran appearing bulls that originate from west TX.



While these "what is it" questions are both fun and challenging, engaging in them such as I have comes with the associated risk of being wrong. Always better with a snake in person than from a photo but it is nearly always tempting to venture an opinion. Not mean't to be any more than that.



Cheers to you and your associates overseas,



Jim
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