This is all so very simple it is ridiculous. Throw them together when they are young. Then if something goes wrong , like eggs not geting fertilized, FIX IT! It is obvious you are doing something wrong. Otherwise it is a step to oing thing more right for the snakes. ..and yourselves as well.

Instead people will say "oh my female stopped eating" or my male was to hot because she sat on the heat" and then blame it on bonding (or groups) and offering choices. Well maybe there is something missing that we can't see. i have said this many times to posters asking questions. Sometimes the way they describe it is not all that is going on. That is why i have said, unless I go over and see what you are doing i can't tell you b(based on what you tell me alone) what is going on. Even though what you tell me seems right over the phone or email.i CAN'T SEE IT IN PERSON! I haD experince with this in the past with other pople when i have talked to them over the phone. When i go over I can see what they are doing and I can pinpoint the most basic thing they missed. It is different for different kings and colubrids. So that is why Fr says their is no set receipe. You have a problem. fix it!

I have had people (one receintly) call me and tell me all the babies they hatched out from last year did not eat once yet.They called me during winter and I gave them the easy solution over the phone and that is suggest cooling them and don't worry that they will come out eating like chapms in spring and surpass those in growth who have been eating all winter. So they cool them. And then they still did not eat. Then summer comes along and the little buggers have still not eaten. So i tell them send them to me. i get them, open the box and offer FT and *BANG* they eat IMMEDIATLY!

I have no idea what some people do at home. But not getting florida kings to eat (especially and entire clutch that is from a prolific line of agressive feeders on mice) says something is missing. But this is just a simple example to say with bonding there has to be some common sense as to what bonding is. You can't just throw two w/c adults together during brumation and call that bonding. Then come on the forums and say bonding doesn't work. Well YA NEVER BONDED them! Even if they have been together for a while.

Which shows that people are not paying attention and more post on bonding need to be made!

Then there is the feeding issue that i see here many times. How some don't want to feed there snakes much. Well if you put them on a diet. maybe they don't like it and want more-duh! People will cannibalize you to if hungry enough. Thing is snakes don't have morals like people do . yet we still do!

Point is. Stop blaming the snakes or choices because maybe you are doing something wrong and have to adjust what you are doing. Could be some basic husbandry, the room you are keeping them in, or maybe you even have a sick snake...who knows? i just know I have been doing it and it works, and it makes things more fun and defeintly more interesting . Takes the geuess work out of when to place pairs together and TAKES AWAY POSSIBILTY OF CANNIBALISM...which happens with non bonded pairs.

I can barely remember those days when i used to worry about putting a male into a females cage and having to watch them and was afraid to leave the house in case they one wanted to eat the other...

..WHICH HAPPENED more than i can recall.
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Observing them in a cage by themsleves with set temps and deciding when to feed is hardly natural or healthy for the snakes.

Bluerosy



You are doing what suits you. which is fine, but its not about the animal, its about you. Your requirements.

Frank Retes







www.Bluerosy.com






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