Dave,
They look like celaenops to me. Celaenops like a lot of other NA triangulum are highly variable snakes. Although I question how much the genetic make up of celaenops, gentilis, taylori, and multistrata differ from each other, I think some of those could be combined, Ive seen examples of gentilis that could pass for each one. and absolutely no annulata influence in those "western milks", if that was a question that would be a far leap and Im sure thats not what this is about.

Did you ever count those scales to compare? I think those guys are the same, I think the range just got intergrated over a large part of it and ended up filling a large gap over time, probably where the good looking l.t.t.'s are from are in those areas
Nice celaenops btw

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