I've been working in the field hardcore for almost 20 years with western Milk Snakes. Starting in UT moving into AZ, then down to Mexico, and back up to NV. There's a lot of debate of what is what. After reading the thread from a week or so ago I thought I would add my very quick two cents on the subject. All snakes in this are ones I've found in the field.



This first one is a Northern UT. For awhile this population was thought to be a Milk / Pyro cross. It was later found out they were just odd (Cause they really weren't found in the wild before) and nothing more than Taylori.





This is the first Milk Snake found in NV and was written up in herp review as well as donated to MVZ. I always suspected triangulum were found in NV. I spent 10 nights trying diferent areas and conditions before I found this guy. I've seen one DOR since. Hopefully, that will change in a few days when I return. This to me is Taylori





This is your standard Taylori. I found this guy in central UT. Taylori doesn't get much better than this. Sorry for the blur. I'm not a great photographer at all. probably, because I rather be herping than clickin lol!! Actually, that is it.





This is a N. AZ Milk as found. To me all N. AZ populations of triangulum are Taylori. I've seen some AZ Milks that were hard to tell apart from the UT populations.





Another N. AZ Milk as found.





And another





Some of my captive stock that just shot for this post. Sorry but two of the animals are in blue and look terrible. They on the other hand are brilliant!! All Taylori













So at this point you might be wondering if I consider any of these three states Milks Celeanops? Sure do, the S.E. AZ populations (Cochise Co). I've been fortunate to have found four of these S.E. AZ Milks. This is a pair I collected in 2002 before they were protected. They breed great and produced but, I couldn't give the things away so I left them with a friend in CA when I moved to AZ 7 years ago.

They're doing great and making out to be fine pets. Wish I could have brought them here. Oh well. Lot's of milk guys argue about what is what in AZ. It's all in fun. Now it's tme to spend the next months observing and taking notes on more.



Paul Lynum

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• Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - Paul Lynum, Tue Jul 17 15:21:09 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - Shredderbabe, Tue Jul 17 15:56:35 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - tspuckler, Tue Jul 17 16:18:54 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - RG, Tue Jul 17 16:42:52 2012
• One more thing....Pyros? - RG, Tue Jul 17 16:48:31 2012
• Pyros - Paul Lynum, Tue Jul 17 18:39:44 2012
• RE: Pyros - RG, Thu Jul 19 09:26:19 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - Dniles, Tue Jul 17 20:38:10 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - BrandonD, Tue Jul 17 22:43:38 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - Jason Nelson, Tue Jul 17 23:04:29 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - Paul Lynum, Wed Jul 18 09:54:22 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - John Fraser, Wed Jul 18 19:51:12 2012
• Good post, Paul! n/p - SunHerp, Sat Jul 21 18:17:24 2012
• RE: Arizona, UT, and Nevada Milk Snakes - snake_bit, Thu Jul 26 06:56:43 2012