Ok, what I am trying to do is figure the heck out what you folks are trying to say. In fact, you and I, are after the same thing.



As you can imagine, coming into this field and trying to make sense of whats labelled as what is, trying.



where we differ is point of view. I come from the animals in the field, not what any wonderful captive breeder does.



In fact, its not about whether its a recessive or not. A anery(hahaha) is an anery, without knowing what the genetics are. As is a axanthic. Those are discriptive terms, not bound to genetics.



As you say, its proven to be recessive is only a tool for captive marketing. And there is nothing wrong with that either. For the captive market, its important. But not when labelling what is observed.



I also agree with you that those(anery/axanthic) two terms need to be cleaned up, so that the HOBBY can move forward. As one day, a true anery will pop up then you will have to name it something odd, as anery has already been applied falsely(as you mention many times)



So please do not fight as we are both after the same thing.



As a third party(not a current hogger) I do see things a bit differently. Even such fine examples that you mention, Like Bechtels book, is only based on a limited amount of information. Its not about whether he is right or wrong. He did great work.



In fact, his work was not based on HOGNOSE. As a field herper, I look at each subject FRESH. While it may indeed relate to others work, keeping a fresh approach is by far the most educational.



So lets move on, to this point, the biggest question is the mystery brown you talk about.



In my experience, there indeed is BROWN, on axanthics, but how is that brown formed? If its not based on red or yellow. Interesting.



Lastly, watching these axanthics, one sees that they can and do change color, from the normal grey to a brownish, and they do that very quickly. Some more then others.



They have the ability to lighten up and darken up,(and quickly) that brown thats the mystery, is envolved in that. At least in my limited experience.



Anyway, I respect your effort and work, but please consider, I am just trying to understand, and its not about right or wrong.



The only concrete thing, is the animals, the rest is, all of us guessing and all such. Even genetics is not without error and variation.



So an anery would be, yellow and melanin(grey and black)



An axanthic would be 50 shades of grey. Cheers

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