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FR
at Sun Dec 9 08:59:01 2012 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
First thats the problem, you said, you would bet. If you said, You have proof, then I would love to hear what that proof is. But you only said, I would bet. We can all bet on something.
What I mentioned above was, there was indeed genetic proof of parthnogenetic reproduction. In my case back in 76, I did not have PROOF, I had very strong evidence that clutches that did not have copulation, were parthnogenetic and not sperm storage. I had that evidence because i had three seperate females lay eggs without copulating. All three were hatched here and all three had never been bred to their own species. All three always produced offspring that were crosses or morphs, when they produced offspring without breeding, all three produced duplicates of themselves. As I said, strong evidence. In Dr. Shuettes case, he did the genetics and had proof.
Now what is your proof or evidence? As we can all bet, betting means nothing. And please understand, I am not ruling out sperm storage, I have just do not have proof that it occured.
ALso over decades of breeding colubrids, I never saw anything that indicated sperm storage. Like, If I bred a female pyro to a greeri, she produced pyro/greeri. Then on that females second clutch, I bred her to a mex mex, I always received pyro/mex mex. etc etc. Over many hundreds of clutches.
The very same was true when I produced Albino cal kings. I had a large collection of cal kings, i was producing many local morphs(striped, banded, desert, newport, L.A. county black morphs, etc) Then I obtained the first albino male. There was no evidence that sperm storage occured, not with a large number of females. When bred to the albino, the hets that I kept, all produced albinos when back bred to the albino. In the early days, I did this with seven types of albinos. AGain, if sperm storarge could occur or did occur, it would show up as hets not producing albinos, that never occurred.
Again, only evidence, not proof, but again, Dr. Shuettes work was proof.
Lastly, what is your problem, yes indeed it was several of us in Tucson that effectively started the current technique of hibernation. If you like to insert words like invented, then go for it, but clearly nature was doing hiberation, when we were still apes.
I would imagine if you did some research, you would find in the very early days of large scale breeding, there where two schools of thought, Hibernation and photoperiod. Cheers
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RE: Hognose laying whilst brumating ! - FR, Sun Dec 9 08:59:01 2012