Hahahahahahaha arguementative sir.



Yes underground temps are a base and it varies by depth and angle to the sun. And they move underground to use different temps. In fact, a very high percentage of all activity, including thermoregulation is underground. If you read my post, you should understand, nearly everything I say goes to MASS temps, and now you think I do not understand that, hahahahahahaha Hmmmmm I was out looking at underground reptile activity and mass temps yesterday. Were you?



THat illustration, hmmmmmmm I'am the field slave that goes out and takes the temps. Someone has to do it.



THe dicussion we should be having is, why do you use the word optimum, when you relate to your captive temps. Optimum for what????? Thats my question.



There is no question, or there shouldn't be, that in nature they utilize a far greater range of temps, then MOST use in captivity. The question becomes, is there reason for that?



I say there is, and you(i am guessing) say there isn't. So, if thats the case, the next step is to bring up, why I say many of your temp regimes are limited. And for dang sake, you all are not one. And I do not know any of you. All I have to go on is what is posted here.



In a very general way, the better breeders are EXPERT and concentrate on genetics, and middle of the road with husbandry. I am sure there are some really good keepers amoung you. But I can only go by what I read here. and that is my CONTEXT.



People ask questions about problems, and often as not, its answered in a very naive way. THat is lack of husbandry experience. Again, if I did not respond directly to you, then it was not about you. So don't make it about you, unless you have THOSE problems.



Whether you want to improve or not, is up to you. Not you individually, but you as a group.



Also what is funny to me is, you like some others say, some of what you say is really good. But other stuff is,LOL. I would like you to think about that. Its your ego that thinks the problem is me. there is an equal chance its your lack of experience. Equal may be a slight exaggeration. hahahahahahahaha THe greater the difference in our experience, the greater the gap in understanding eachother. Try narrowing the gap with good questions, instead of launching verbal attacks. Sir, that is what is childish. You do understand, I am questioning some of your husbandry techniques, not attacking you as individuals.



You say, half of what your saying is good, the other half not. How about, you do not understand the other half. My effort is to help you. If you do not want help, then do not respond. As I say all the time, I only want to interact with folks that want to interact and about the animals.



I may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but I have been in the field for a very long time. So there is some chance, I have experience others may overlook. Again, not the sharpest tack, but have been breeding reptiles CONSISTANTLY for over 50 years.



When I came here, I stated I wanted to talk to folks about hog BEHAVIOR. And so far, only gohogwild with even say anything about her hogs and what they do. The rest of you only want to attack me. Why?



Things like hibernation/brumation. I am not a fan of. And there is reason. The reason is, when confined underground, they may not be SLEEPING. In fact, they do move and socialize etc when confined by winter weather. Why do you think they pair up or group up in the fall? Why do you think they select PARTICULAR places in the fall and what do these places have in common?



All that is done for reason and its not to sleep. Maybe they just sleepwalk, hahahahahaha sorry humor.



Lastly, you pointing out you do not understand something, and you look DOWN on it, that is indeed based on you. Not me. There is a huge difference between you and I, I investigate what I do not know. Not LOL it or critizie it, or call people names because I do not understand something. YOU and others here do. SO again I ask, WHY? What are you afraid of? Best wishes

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