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FR
at Fri Apr 26 11:17:05 2013 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
Congrats and thanks for sharing.
I am glad your seeing some interesting results.
I hate to give you that old, I told you so, so I won't. Its important to understand that nesting is IMPORTANT to all reptiles. As I mentioned(the told you so) all reptiles in nature go to lenghts to find/build nests in a particular way/s and do not just drop eggs in any old spot, even if the conditions are good. There is a culture behind what they do.
Please understand and do not take offense, You guys(on average) made a science out of keeping, that is, you attempt to meet base physical requirements and in an average way. No offense please, but this temp, that humidity, brumate for this many days @ this or that temp. Raise the temps after this long Place male in after so many days etc. Well sirs and sirsettes, thats boring and takes the life and the living out of animals. What is their life and how they live is behavior(Ethology)
Ethology (from Greek: ἦθος, ethos, "character"; and -λογία, -logia, "the study of" is the scientific and objective study of animal behaviour, and is a sub-topic of zoology. The focus of ethology is on animal behaviour under natural conditions,[1] as opposed to behaviourism, which focuses on behavioural response studies in a laboratory setting.
Many naturalists have studied aspects of animal behaviour throughout history. The modern discipline of ethology is generally considered to have begun during the 1930s with the work of Dutch biologist Nikolaas Tinbergen and by Austrian biologists Konrad Lorenz and Karl von Frisch, joint winners of the 1973 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.[2] Ethology is a combination of laboratory and field science, with a strong relation to certain other disciplines such as neuroanatomy, ecology, and evolution. Ethologists are typically interested in a behavioural process rather than in a particular animal group, and often study one type of behaviour, such as aggression, in a number of unrelated animals.
The desire to understand animals has made ethology a rapidly growing field. Since the turn of the 21st century, many aspects of animal communication, animal emotions, animal culture, learning, and even sexual conduct that experts long thought they understood, have been re-examined, and new conclusions reached. New fields have developed, such as neuroethology.
It would be helpful if many here understood behavior. In animals, its both inherent and learned(practice to improve, etc.
Where I am getting is, the animals, inherently understand how to nest. They also attempt to make the best out of constraints.
Which leads to this, please do not expect the animals to change that quickly. That is, it may take many nestings to get it right. They also LEARN to use what you offer(support)
As you have seen, they can deposit eggs as soon as they shed(whats the advantage?) And they do tend to the eggs, make a nest, and modify it. That is, enter(build nest) deposit eggs, then exit( situate the eggs and close the nest) Which includes hiding the nest to protect it from predators(including insects)
Gregg, the above is not for you so much. Its for others who treat their animals as lifeless(trading cards) In the past, I asked if anyone kept their hognose in a hognose way. that is, in a way that allows a hognose to be a hognose. Its culture and adaptions. As you have seen, I recieved no answers. Stop whining FR!
Anyway, keep up the good work and please understand behavior. Behavior is individual and varied and has many reactions to one impulse/stimuli. It appears your going to have lots of results soon. And please post them.
ALso, keep testing, I think what your doing will light your fire and you will have to keep testing and keep learning. Thanks so much for that.
Its my opinion, your in for lots and lots of fun. It was nice to see you excited at actually observing nesting. Sir, there is so much more. Heres one for you, reptiles can and do move their eggs from one spot to another(have pics) the question is, do hogs have that capability?
Lastly, I keep preaching more depth. I do so because its their cultural to them. To actually observe full nesting, you must include deeper then they will actually use, That is what teaches you. Not making due with less. We already know they can drop eggs in a shoebox. Or in the waterbowl. But that has nothing to do with what they want to do. Behavior is fulfilling a need and that can be done in many many ways. Sorry for going on and on. But you are a rare keeper. Thanks again
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RE: Follow up.... - FR, Fri Apr 26 11:17:05 2013