i see your point, and I am going the set it up naturalistic...to

them. you seem to believe that there are no surface structures in ALL HOGNOSE habitat, at least that is what I get out of this. I also seem to catch a little bit of mis understanding or maybe even arrogance from you. I appreciate where you are coming from, and I respect and appreciate the work that you do, I honestly do...but I kinda get that you may need to work on your PEOPLE skills a little bit. I think you may take a lot out of context, or take things a little different than what someone means when they say it. that is only my opinion, and I get what you are saying and trying to explain...but I think it is absolutely ridiculous that you think a true natural set up for a hognose CANNOT have ANYTHING on the surface of their set up. it is like you believe they are only in areas where it is wide open and looks almost like the surface of Mars....hmmmm. I KNOW for a fact that some western hognose snakes are in, and infact are active on the surface where there are sparse shrubs, grasses, and other surface structures. I also think that it is ridiculous that having a few surface structures in a set up, with deep sandy soil(of about twelve inches) is going to shut down the hognoses natural behaviors...what makes you think this? they are still going to be underground, digging and excavating their tunnels, and dens...and still doing their thing...they are not going to think, 'oh there is a few rocks on the surface, and someone had the audacity to put a damn piece of cork bark and a water bowl....I AM NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT SIT HERE NOW"...I just don't understand your logic here...I mean, you are a scientific observer...why would this completely shut down their behavior? and please don't side step my question by going on about something else...and another thing, I feel no differently about you than I did before(and I am pretty sure you could care less anyways,lol)...

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