Sorry if I sounded harsh. Just got a little bent when you labled breeders as "pushers" and said it was only about the money. That's all. The thing is, I believe a certain way and have my own thoughts that go along with how Frank feels in many aspects. I truly feel that husbandry has everything to do with our failures as keepers and any successes our animals have in captivity has little to do with us at all. They are just doing what they are designed by nature to do and can tolerate a lot of our screw ups to such a degree that we do not even know we are screwing up. That is until little signs pop up like under weight hatchlings and so on. The thing is, the issues are usually just pushed of and blamed on the animals when the fact is, the problem is us and what we are doing/offering to our captives.

I don't mean to sound like anyone. In fact, I think I sound different from most when I post. I would never tell you or anyone that you do not know what you are doing or that you are doing it wrong. You do what you do because it works for you and obviously it is working well for your animals. So if I sounded like a jerk, it was only because of your previous post I pointed out.

And I do respect your opinion and experiences. But with a statement like 'second clutched produce small neonates that do not do as well as first clutch neonates all the time/most of the time/sometimes", It should really be presented as an individual opinion and maybe offer something substantial to back it up. Something substantial is not needed when giving an opinion but when an opinion is presented as fact, it may cause confusion with newer, inexperienced keepers.

I am very curious as to who these hog breeders were who told you this though. I mean are they actual breeders or keepers who got lucky and got a few clutches? Also, what conditions do these breeders keep their animals in.

Anyway, sorry is I sounded harsh or like an ass.

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