Hey. This is obviously for anyone but I noticed the post a couple weeks ago from tyranosaur about the article in the July issue of Reptiles about Louisianas. I just yesterday got to see that issue and even remembered the page number you said about. 64. Here are my question(s)/comments. First of all I just got rid of a pair that looks exactly like those snakes that guy is holding. And that's the first pic I have seen that shows those exact snakes. If those aren't LA's, what the hell are they? I went back and forth for months, wondering if they were Louisianas or not. I went through every book I could find with info about Ruthveni's and every online resource. But never found a pic that looked exactly like them. But the only pics of any pit I could find that even closely resembled them was of Ruthveni. The best info I got was from a herpetologist in MA who said that most northerns are yellow so I just assumed I had yellow northern pines. But now seeing this pic, I'm wondering. With not too much known about Ruthveni, is it possible this is what they look like when mature? Because I really never see pics of mature ones. Mine were pushing 5 feet and looked exactly like the ones in Reptiles.



Here's another issue, the guy I got them from, sold them to me as Southerns. I new the second I opened the bag, I wasn't dealing with southerns but never knew what they really were either. So, I don't know any lineage on them and who they were produced by and how they got lost in the pet trade as Southerns is a mystery. So my main question is, how can anyone be positive those animals in reptiles aren't Ruthveni's? And if they're not, what are they? They look unique to any other known Pituophis species. And another thing that I thought of is think of the color differences between just deppei's and jani's as they mature. Any info or comments on this would be greatly appreciated. I love pines and I think LA's are very interesting considering how little is know about them. And the fact that I had a pair that are being called Louisianas by Reptiles Magazine make me even more curious. Thanks alot.

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