Hey everyone. I have just been wondering about all of the australian goannas here in the states, and the lack of paperwork/cites documentation most people have(or do not have for that matter,) for their captives. Are the majority of our australian varanids(one's most of us don't have documentation for) illegal, or is it just illegal to try and sell them to somebody outside of the country.



How did the origional, founding line of goannas, that were brought into the US "back in the day", attain proper permits/cites documentation for them? I was under the impression that australia closed it's doors back in the 70's. I remember hearing about a group of V. glebopalmas that were smuggled in to the country a couple of years back that were confiscated by fish and game, because the captors did not have any paperwork on them. Who's to say that our acanthurus, or panoptes, or glauerti were not smuggled? Sure we could say that they were captive bred here in the states, but would that hold up in court if "the man" came to take away your animals? Is it now that certain species are "established" in captive breeding projects, that "the man" simply doesn't point any suspicion anymore? Just curious..



I noticed that several canadian breeders have such permits and are exporting their c.b offspring to europe. I have not heard much about breeders here in the states having cites documentation,(maybe Frank) or heard of anybody purchasing australian herps from breeders here in the states recieving any documentation. What about beardeds, knobtails, womas, etc..??



I am just curious if technically, the animals we love and keep are actually illegal or not. I have heard different things about the government's involvement with overseeing aussie herps in the trade, and am just curious as for the legality of things.



Frank, didn't you say you had the "man" confiscate some animals from you? I vaguely remember you replying to an old post of mine about glebopalma in the states... I can't really remember though...



bob

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