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jmartin104
at Sun Jun 8 07:41:48 2003 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by jmartin104 ]
I'll reply to all in this one.
>>Answer; Caveat Emptor. Only buy from REPUTABLE breeders.
The sale is a two-way street. Both seller and buyer need a way to be protected. A reputable seller *might* protect the prudent buyer, but as JohnZ pointed out, what protects the seller from the buyer? I posted this question from both a buyer and seller standpoint. I have eggs in the incubator (due July 28) from an albino to a normal. I am looking to sell or trade so I need to protect myself from an unscrupulous buyer or transfer of animal.
>>Then have too look at it from the buyers stand point. The buyer is a no one, he might be trying to get into the Ball business, but if he goes public with this breeder, will everyone stay away from this new guy. So maybe the buyer says nothing
I'm not trying to get into the Ball business, however, I do like to "play" with my private collection. And I did have some problems with a large breeder (one of the largest). Please don't ask, I'm not saying. I politely tried getting it corrected but I was "blown" off without explanation. Who would believe me against the big breeder? Although, I do have all emails with promises.
>>I think its food for thought. Proof of anything 3 years old is tough.
But that's reality. Your freshly hatched male won't be ready to breed for at least a year. Your freshly hatched female, at least two years (with power feeding). Then you have the breeding cycle. If they don't take, now you have to add another year. 3 years is not out of the norm.
I know Bob Clark micro's some of his animals and I think he charges $30 to do it for others. This seems to be a good deal, however, you would only do this on high-end animals. Who would micro a $250 male het for albino? $250 $30 $60 S&H) = $340 snake.
Drawings are subjective and short-term. My BP looks different as an adult as he did when a hatchling. Pictures are better but there must be two sets. I think a seller should send the snake along with:
1) 2-3 identifying pictures (Should be physical, since digitals are too easy to alter. The breeder should put on the pics identifying numbers for tracking and the type of snake (e.g., male, 66% het Clown, etc.) These pics should be sets. I bring my snake to you and the breeder can quickly match it up. "Yep, that's the one I sold or not a chance". People would think twice about trying to cheat the breeder in this case.
2) There should also be some compensatory statement. If you breed this het to het two years in a row, they throw 8 eggs each and nothing but normals, chances are good one or both may not be hets (even thought it's possible to get nothing from the hets).
3) I'm for microing the snake if it's safe to a hatchling and cost-effective.
A registration system might not be a bad idea. Of course, this costs to administer and police.
>>In theory, if we ever had a customer call us with a pair of 100% Hets. that are not het. we would certainly be suspicious.
Sean, I think that's a natural reaction. The question is in how you deal with it. Do you "blow" off the buyer like so many or try to remedy the situation. By reading your post, I would guess, you would try to properly take care of the problem.
The plot thickens. What if I buy two hets and they produce, say two Axanthics. I call you up and say, "man, I got normals again, what are you going to do about it?". You look at your pics and determine these are the ones you sold me and say you'll give me a refund. Now, I have pretty much gotten free morphs (from your "loaner" hets) and you have two snakes you now have to breed to confirm - you don't really want to resell them with this issue looming. If no morph, you try again. If no morph, you decide "oops, an honest mistake, these go back to the normal bin". But if they do produce, now you are suspicious but what can you do at this point? Too bad genetic testing costs too much.
>>Id say if you dont like to trust people and the answers given dont suffice for you to just bite the bullet and hold off to get the actual morph. Then you know you got what you paid for.
Great if you have the money. I spent quite a bit on an actual morph. Now, with hets in the incubator, I am looking at getting one or more different morphs. How to safely go about this is the impedous behind my post.
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Jay A. Martin
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