Good topic. I was thinking as well

Import mortality rate, captive mortality rate and breeding success/failure margins to justify the continuation of chameleons for the pet trade

· In country farms such as the Tanzania project fostering captive local animals for breeding and then export sale abroad

· The project of importing animals to Indonesia for captive breeding and then export sale abroad

· Breeders that feel they still want to import animals hoping too successfully breed them to F-5 through F-10

These are some of the questions that second school of thought chameleon enthusiasts are asking and saying enough is enough. This breed of reptile has not over the years of experimentation done well in a captive environment and this experiment should come to an end.

First school wants continue importing and breeding in different methods in hopes that the answers will come in time.

These differences make the chameleon community divided and very hostile at times. Yet there are not too many open minded people that haven’t come to a conclusion the too many of these animals die and suffer annually. This is why these are very important and pertinent topics. It is also why they should be discussed in a civilized format with agreed moderation and rules of engagement. I am waiting to here back from a friend to see if she is prepared to carry out the list serv and moderate these type of controversial topics. I’m hoping many of those people involved in both schools of thought will participate as well. Those involved in the type projects such as farming local animals, importing animals for farming, breeders seeking long term F breeding success, veterinarians, and all interested parties. Those that document cites imports statistics to animals surviving and successfully starting colonies. Adchamers have 135 people in all walks of the hobby that are staunch 1st school of thought contributors. Hopefully rather than play name that pardalis they might come forward and entertain these discussions with their facts and theories. Anyway, this is what I am hoping for, but at any level if a few people can take the time to think this is a good thing. Thanks again, Craig.

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