Craig,

"Sometimes the death of these animals come because a handfull of selfish people call the slaughter their hobby and their right." - agreed and probably one of the farest statements I have heard from you in a while, actually I haven't really seen you post in a while. I agree with Bill, if you want to have a seperate list for this topic then go right ahead, but I really don't see why it can't be dicussed here. As long as everyone keeps and open mind and consider, not agree, with others views then it could be a very good discussion. One problem that usually arises during this discussion is the fact that people that don't care for, breed, or import the animals, like yourself, can only really throw out the numbers and statistics. And then others who do care for, breed, and import the animals may have very different results than your statistics show and don't always look at the entire picture. The ones that prove your statistics correct usually aren't the ones posting so you are stuck with two very different and most of the time one sided views. If we all listen to each other than it can be a very good discusion. One thing that bothers me about the topic is that most of the time old results and statistics are used in the discussion, but people fail to realize that these were in the past and just because it wasn't done properly then, doesn't mean it isn't now or can't be in the future. Although, the learning curve will take quite a few chameleon lives with it.

Paul

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