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A quick clarification. Global warming is said to be caused by green house gases that allow all radiation to penetrate the atmosphere and then prevent heat (Infra-red radiation) from escaping. (your post didn't look like you understood that, maybe it was just me.)





No, I wouldn't think there would be an across the board increase because you can see that temperatures do not increase linear throughout the whole atmosphere.



First, the point I was trying to make was, that when you introduce an insulator into a system, you will get maximum temperature changes at the location of the insulator. Due to this, you should see major changes in atmospheric temps. before you see any at the Earth surface. (And that doesn't even take into account the heat sync. effect of the earth, due to it's mass (heat holding capabilities) compared to the atmosphere's mass. After all, you are still getting the same heating, it is just that the heat can't escape like it used to. Why wouldn't you see much higher temperature changes in the atmosphere when that is the location of the insulation? (I am only talking about changes in temps. not what the temps. actually are-those are two distinct things.) Temps. will obviously be different in the various "ospheres", but there should still be more of a change in the upper portion of the lower atmosphere than there is directly on the Earths surface. The satellite data doesn't show this to be happening.





you said ****Global averages of what, your graph says stratosphere and our weather occurs in the troposphere.



****Average troposphere temperatures are what count



I don't believe that is true. Considering we are talking about global warming, the stratosphere should be warming also. Admittedly, the troposphere temps. are important, but I don't think global warming would necessarily exclude the stratosphere from changes. And again, considering the stratosphere's density compared to the troposphere's you should see a bigger change there due to density. (Also, if the temp. of the stratosphere is related mostly to ozone levels, the temp. maps should correlate with ozone distribution maps.)





Cool, I did not know glaciers are growing. What ice shelves are growing? By how much and where are they? Fascinating investigative work you have done. Tell me more!



As for glaciers, there are a lot of them that are growing. This first short article is about 5 years old, (but still well within the time frame global warming alarmists talk about) here is a URL to look at it and some more recent ones.



http://www.sepp.org/controv/afp.html



Niwa's surveys showed an increase in ice almost every year from 1979 to 1997

http://www.ecology.com/ecology-news-links/2003/articles/5-2003/5-27-03/glaciers.htm



they are even growing here in sunny California

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF16/1678.html



do an internet search and I am sure you can find many more. I know there are some growing in Alaska as well.





Here's something else I found interesting that I though you might like.







While this shows that there is some correlation between CO2 and global temps. It also shows that things have been both hotter and with higher CO2 levels than today, and yet things didn't continue to get worse as many global warming alarmists are saying. It also shows that there must be many other variables because there are points on the graph where there is not a correlation. (Temps. going up while CO2 is going down and vice-versa.) Also, we were not even around during these regular fluctuations. What caused them? Don't think it could be a regular cycle that doesn't involve us do you?

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When you look into it, it is amazing how little effect we could even have on global warming, if it is occurring. For instance, pretty much every living thing produces CO2. (CO2 production is basically just the byproduct of using carbohydrates) Ants, for instance. Who would even consider ants? Did you know that all the ants on Earth weigh 12 times more than all the humans?--just showing how insignificant we really are. And then take into account things like, bacteria, forest fires, termites, all other animals, etc.



Rodney

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