In your first post you said, One thing I mentioned to Rodney as evidence of global warming is the fact that I can grow certain palm trees in my garden that were an impossibility 20 years ago and difficult even 10 years prior but he had no comment on this.



When I told you the incredibly small temperature increase due to global warming that even the alarmist quote, would only be about one degree.....



Then, in your second post you said I don't give a rat's behind about your 1 degree. What I'm talking about is the number of total cold (frost) hours is less than it used to be and anyone that read my comment would have understood that but you. and

I don't directly care about global events because I can't affect them, but I do care about local events because they affect me so don't tell me I'm confused.





Well, which is it? Is it evidence of global warming or is it I don't give a rat's behind? It does sound to me like you are confused. First its evidence now it is I don't care about global events? After you already stated that your local event was evidence of global warming?- and that is all I was referring to in my post. Global warming data shows a warming of about .04 degrees C every decade for the last 50 years, so in the last 20 years, global warming data from non-alarmists would be .08 degrees C or .144 degrees F. Do you really think a .144 degree increase in 20 years will make any difference in frost hours? Were your typical nighttime lows around 31.9 degrees 20 years ago and now it is 32.04 degrees and that will make a difference? I don't think so. Even if you believe the alarmists numbers, your weather couldn't be so consistent that a one degree change would make any difference. How many days a year do you get frost? How many days are just one degree warmer? Is there a difference between these two numbers? It is far more likely a local event has caused a much greater change in your temps., like large trees growing up that protect from frost, construction, traffic, etc. (try measuring the temps of roadways that are traveled vs. those that are not with a temp. gun sometime.)



I never claimed that your experience growing palms wasn't true, just that you thinking that it proved global warming was total nonsense.





And consider this, the global warming alarmists that all say we are doomed if we don't stop CO2 emissions, also say global warming causes more extreme weather conditions, colder winters, more hurricanes, warmer summers, etc. If you believe them, it would have been getting colder for you, not warmer!



It is the scientist that don't believe in global warming that are saying that warmer winter and night time temps. come from urban development.



So basically, your experiences in gardening, totally confirm what I have been saying all along, and they precisely contradict both what global warming activists are saying and your statement that "what you are seeing is proof of global warming!"



And no, I haven't started my garden yet. It's a little too risky as frost is still somewhat likely. (I have been gardening for around 20 years also, plus another 15 years before that with my dad, and I have seen no change at all, that I can tell, here in California.) Now I mostly just do tomatoes, and plants for my animals to eat (Hybiscus, Mulberry), due to lack of time---, plus all my fruit trees that are all doing great--Dancy Tangerines, Navel Oranges, Honey Mandarins, Lisbon Lemons, Fuju Parsimmons, Beautiful Pomegranites, plus various cacti, succulents, bamboo, etc. I don't know how people can even think of hiring gardeners to take care of their lawns!



Have you ever tried tree tomatoes? I never have, but am considering it this year. Just wondering if they are as good to eat as "bush" type tomatoes. (My crickets eat a lot of tomatoes! I started raising my own crickets for my animals, and I hatch so many that I am selling about 15K of them a week to a local reptile shop now.)





Rodney

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