Yah, several of the species on that list have zero demand (or nearly so) in the pet trade. The only possible reasoning by which collection may impact them is if they are one of the few species that has an incredibly small range such as Hydromantes. Of course from a long term point of view for such a population, if their numbers are so low that the removal of a few individuals will significantly impact them, their long term survival is probably impossible. I cannot think of a species in Calif that is at that point.



You (I think it was you) was correct in regards to the necessity of having a valid fishing license in Calif each year when you own a native herp. This is a common misconception. The license is a take permit and is not a possession permit. Of course if you get caught in the field with a herp you better have a license irregardless of whether the warden actually saw you pick it up.
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• Coming in late to a debate -- BigBrother on collection - Rick Staub, Wed Mar 17 18:38:06 2004
• You Might Be Surprised >>> - chris_mcmartin, Wed Mar 17 19:55:06 2004
• RE: You Might Be Surprised >>> - Rick Staub, Wed Mar 17 20:07:49 2004
• RE: You Might Be Surprised >>> - chris_mcmartin, Thu Mar 18 06:51:51 2004
• RE: You Might Be Surprised >>> - Rick Staub, Thu Mar 18 11:24:21 2004
• Another Scenario >>> - chris_mcmartin, Thu Mar 18 20:00:28 2004
• RE: Another Scenario >>> - Rick Staub, Thu Mar 18 23:33:24 2004
• Actually, you need a captive bred wildlife permit... - rodmalm, Tue Mar 30 22:27:44 2004
• RE: Coming in late to a debate -- BigBrother on collection - Larry D. Fishel, Thu Mar 18 14:39:54 2004
• RE: Coming in late to a debate -- BigBrother on collection - Thamnophile, Thu Mar 18 21:41:40 2004