my black pine female is running me 150 shipped. males should be somewhat less. pines definatly have more spunk than kings and milks, and they will let you know if they are having a bad day. which is similar to indigos: indigos will hiss and puff their throats if they are alarmed or irritable, pines will puff up and hiss so loud that someone in the next room can hear it. for the most part its a bluff, as i have handled many puffy hissy pines and never gotton bit. they tend to stay active when held, and so they are more interesting when doing an education program or showing off to a friend. overall, i think pines have a great personality and are a very refreshing addition to any elaphe, lampropeltis, or python collection with their unique personalities. they are addicting!



pines also seem to have a slightly faster metabolism compared to kings and milks. they can seem to put out a lot of waste, but ive noticed mine seem to "get it all out" at one time, compared to my kings who seem to pinch off a bit every couple days. pines are rodent specialists, and babies start off as 18" fat fuzzy killers. doesnt take them long to graduate to hoppers, adult mice, large adult mice,small rats, and med rats, which a 7' adult can slam in minutes.plus, their color actually improves with age!



BTW, this applies to Pituophis(bull, pine, gopher snakes) as a whole.



greg

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