Hi Ellen, I'll pitch in here...



>>As far as the hybino/super hypo/extreme hypo, I need to clarify something.

>>The hypo morph I meant is the one with the bright red background, and that greyish lavender color in place of the black. Hopefully that's a good enough description for you to know what I mean.



A: Unfortunately, it's not enough. Lots of hypos are orangeish-red, not bright red: bright red is more often a characteristic of tricolors. Perhaps you've seen a hypo of steve osborne's -- he originally called them something like super hypo extremes, something like that, more recently has called them just "supers", they're a line of the regular hypo, apparently (compatible alleles, that is, you can breed them to each other and get hypos) and steve's seem to have more reddish color to them than the more commonly seen hypos, that originated with bill and kathy love, and that were tangerines and thus pretty orange. Sorry for the long answer, short answer is your description could still refer to several diff things.



>>Could you explain (or could someone explain) what the difference is - pics would be very nice - between a super hypo, a hybino, and an extreme hypo? You said I could produce dbl hets for hybino, but I'm not sure which hypo morph that is.



A: super hypo is now used to refer to steve osborne's line of hypos, though for about a year the term was also used to refer to waht are now called "extreme" hypos, which originated with mike falcon.

A: hybino is an animal that is BOTH hypo AND albino. Yes, it is a double morph. Although we don't yet know exactly what a hybino looks like (the first "for sure" will probably be produced this year) you can understand the difficulty i think: amelanistic, or albino, removes ALL melanin; how, then, can you tell by looking if such an albino animal has its melanin reduced, demonstrating that it is a hypo as well? One possible answer is that the hybino will overall be paler than a regular albino that's not also hypo; another answer is that you won't be able to tell a hybino from an albino by simply looking. (So the hypo het/albino X hypo het/albino pairing is the key, all the babies are hypos, so the 25% that are albino are thus hybinos, and you can tell them from looking.

A: an extreme hypo is a hypo on which the melanin rings are reduced much more significantly than on commonly seen hypos. Are they a new, genetically unique morph? or just a variant/line of regular hypos that is lighter than the others, but will breed with them, give varying degrees of reduction? Breedings now underway will HOPEFULLY answer those questions this season.



Hope that helps. And take a look at my genetics page, you need to better understand that subject, you'll have more fun with your animals once you do.



PHOTO: Is the one on top a tangerine albino, and the one on the bottom, the paler one, a hybino? I'lll know when i'm finally able to test-breed the pale one X a hypo mate--if all the babies are hypo, then he probably is too, and we'll have a strong bit of evidence, at least, that hybinos are in fact very pale albinos. But if the pair of hypo het/albinos I'm breeding this year produces, we'll also get that insight from their babies. Sometimes it takes several years to get the answ3ers we want.



peace

terry

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>>Thank You, once again!

>>-Ellen



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