While Tony and I have had our differences about "outbreeding"in the past,I think it fair to say that attrition in this "ssp"is due to more obvious things than "inbreeding".Firstly,there has been "only"2-3 generations POSSIBLY inbred--and MOST of the first breeders only bred homoXhet so that only 3/4 of the genes COULD have been passed along.I think the problems with this "ssp"in the past has been inexperienced keepers,VERY delicate babies,and parasitation due to compromising feeding regimes.This morph has been around since about 1990 and there STILL arent that many around because they simply CANT be mass produced like other snakes so that even the "EXPERTS"who can afford them lose them consistently enough to develop a following.Those who HAVE bred them are also keeping the price high enough to avoid continued attrition,in this case a GOOD thing.

With the "degree"of outcrossing Tony chosen(with NJ&NC X MD blood)any LOCALE breeders should be well aware of each founding animals'differing lines.I say this only because this "ssp"was known as BOTH "temporalis"AND "Diodata",so in many circles this outcrossing is either a man made "cross"OR a "intergrade" depending upon whose definition you subscribe to.Tony,no offense here buddy,lol,this one isnt about you at all.Simply NOT enough temp people around anymore to harass.Jeff

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• Hypo coastals - Tony D, Fri May 14 07:30:21 2004
• RE: Hypo coastals - MarcB, Sat May 15 14:27:52 2004
• RE: Hypo coastals - Jason Nelson, Sat May 15 14:41:32 2004
• Greed, Greed, Greed. - A.C., Sat May 15 19:21:29 2004
• Totaly agree with ya! - MarcB, Sun May 16 08:56:42 2004
• RE: Greed, Greed, Greed. - mariasman, Sun May 16 21:35:18 2004
• RE: Greed, Greed, Greed. - A.C., Sun May 16 23:15:11 2004
• I have not been convinced "outbreeding"this group is needed-more - Jeff Schofield, Mon May 17 21:54:41 2004
• Elaborate, Jeff... - A.C., Tue May 18 20:44:05 2004
• Until DNA results are in I dont rule anything out as far as subspecificatio - Jeff Schofield, Tue May 18 21:02:28 2004
• rarer than P. ruthveni?! - A.C., Tue May 18 22:40:15 2004
• RE: Until DNA results are in I dont rule anything out as far as subspecificatio - Tony D, Wed May 19 12:42:37 2004
• ouch! - rtdunham, Fri May 21 17:46:37 2004
• my rebuttal - A.C., Fri May 21 22:43:26 2004
• RE: ouch! - Tony D, Sun May 23 15:05:29 2004
• Your principals arent being questioned Tony - Jeff Schofield, Sat May 22 17:44:41 2004
• RE: Your principals arent being questioned Tony - Tony D, Sun May 23 14:59:34 2004
• Thats the way my luck has been running,lol - Jeff Schofield, Sun May 23 15:15:23 2004