AC,temporalis is problematical to begin with as everyone knows.The differing locale types have proved that.Diodata was the nominant form of the NC coastals before temporalis overtook it,before being sunk by Williams.There are people looking into the DNA of these and I wish they would hurry up and be more forthcoming with ANY intrinsic evidence of subspecific groupings.To NOW cross these locales when/if evidence supports further splitting would be very counter productive to all that founded these locales and morphs and their attempts to keep lines pure.THIS IS NOT to say that locale crossing shouldnt be done,this is to say that maybe NOW isnt the right time to do it.We should be close to some real answers that have bugged us all for a long time."OUTCROSSING" to instill hybrid vigor is not a responsible way to manage problematical species or ssp..If it is to occur than "crosses","intergrades"and "hybrids"should occur within such a discussion.THAT is not to say that hybrids are BAD either,just know that you cant have it BOTH WAYS.Dealing with rare and unique critters like these will always be a challenge and should be.CREATING new lines to make them easier to deal with for the consuming public is the discussion we should be having.I hope Tony can see that I am trying to straddle the line here and doesnt BASH ME,lol.PLEASE,everything is cool,lol,continue your best efforts on our hypo coastal eggs!Maybe my point will be moot,but if evidence supports the subspecification of elapasoides,diodata,temporalis,etc then contamination of the gene pool will exist at a very unhealthy level.Obtaining and reproducing new wc lines is about the hardest of any in North America.These are far rarer than even LA pines.Just something to think about,Jeff

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