Tony,



I expected your reply would be well thought out and it didn't disappoint.



RE timing, and the need to breed some snakes right out of the cooler: my experience this year (immediate breeding, great results) and last year (waiting for first shed, horrible results) suggests that is certainly true with L. pyro pyro. Others with more experience with that ssp testify to that timing's effectiveness.



And considering other causal factors, it's not just age, size, etc., there's a lot of inexplicable individual differences in herps, just as in people. One example: I'm just now breeding most of my snow-project females for their second clutches, yet at the same time, only yesterday did one of the females commence breeding for her FIRST clutch. These are all proven breeders, having been here for years under the same conditions, and all experiencing the same brumation and out-of-brumation treatment here this year. Double hets are NOT generally examples of inbreeding, since they're actually the result of an OUTcross (albino x anery in this example) and the breedings this year were to a snow which could NOT have been one of their sibs or parents. Yet such diffs exist, begging other explanations.



terry

[ Hide Replies ]

• Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give this a look - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Jun 17 02:02:46 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give this a look - Tony D, Thu Jun 17 09:36:33 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give this a look - rtdunham, Thu Jun 17 14:51:46 2004
• This has the potential to be a great thread - stefan67, Thu Jun 17 12:06:36 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give this a look - rtdunham, Thu Jun 17 12:17:19 2004
• Thanks everyone, Now..The Snake Incubation Cookbook... - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Jun 17 13:10:19 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give this a look - Paul Hollander, Thu Jun 17 18:35:27 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - tspuckler, Thu Jun 17 14:27:37 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - rtdunham, Thu Jun 17 15:14:06 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - Tony D, Fri Jun 18 10:18:26 2004
• Very interesting thoughts Tony.......more - Nokturnel Tom, Fri Jun 18 11:47:22 2004
• provocative thoughts, more info desired - rtdunham, Fri Jun 18 12:58:34 2004
• RE: provocative thoughts, more info desired - Tony D, Fri Jun 18 13:48:13 2004
• is that a dead horse? quick, let me whip it! - rtdunham, Fri Jun 18 16:39:21 2004
• More info I find useful! Thanks for your input more - Nokturnel Tom, Fri Jun 18 17:18:13 2004
• RE: More info I find useful! Thanks for your input more - Paul Hollander, Fri Jun 18 17:47:32 2004
• Got it! - Tony D, Fri Jun 18 18:13:24 2004
• Thanks Tim, it's little bits of info like this that.... - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Jun 17 15:47:48 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - Paul Hollander, Thu Jun 17 18:17:02 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - tspuckler, Fri Jun 18 09:41:13 2004
• RE: Facts or Myths Concerning Breeding Snakes in Captivity, please give thi - rtdunham, Fri Jun 18 13:20:42 2004
• Simple truths are the hardest things to come by,more - Jeff Schofield, Fri Jun 18 00:08:18 2004
• RE: Simple truths. RE Money... - rtdunham, Fri Jun 18 15:38:41 2004
• and another point to be considered - Nokturnel Tom, Fri Jun 18 16:05:08 2004
• RE genetics (making devils out of democrats?) - rtdunham, Fri Jun 18 15:56:38 2004
• Thank you Terry..... - Tony D, Fri Jun 18 19:25:38 2004
• there are other examples - Jeff Schofield, Sat Jun 26 12:43:16 2004