This is not about captive breeders or "private" breeders, keepers, etc, against science or the printed word. Its not nearly so broad. Its simply about me and some others here and our experience, against these two, MS and libraian, and their interpitation of written information on monitors, and to some degree, their warped interpitation of science.



Please understand, it may not even be about liking eachother. Personally, I do not think I have to agree with someone to be friends with them. I am simple in this, we only need to be friends. But thats neither, here or there.



So please take it for what its worth. For me, Its real life experience, against their, interpitation of what they read. Again understand, both have not "done" anything exceptional in the field of captive husbandry. They are both very normal beginer keepers.



Yet, for some reason, they consider themselves "THE EXPERTS". The reason, neither shows any pics or anything other then, the name calling and your wrong is, they have nothing to show.



As a teacher, Sam Sweet, should fully realize that the written word, books etc, is to prepare you to "do" something, its not the "something". The relationship is, we "do" the something, yet we are wrong.



This is so often shown here as in this recent topic. We have seen wild and captive monitors, active at night and active in dark liteless areas(in the day). So Sams responce is, that does not happen, and heres why. The problem with this approach is, it did and does happen, no matter what he thinks or says.



This approach is widespread, we have had monitors commonly multiclutch, he says they don't, we have them, behave in a social manner, he says they don't, we see them pairbond, he says they don't. I have seen this or strong evidence of this in nature, he says he hasn't seen such things, then asks me why he hasn't. Well, i have no answer for why he hasn't, I just know I not only saw it commonly, I even took pics and showed him. His responce is, he discards and denies. If he was a scientist, he would question, investigate and then make his own conclusions. But that does not happen, he simply makes his own conclusions and then calls names to anyone who has EXPERIENCED other.



Why I believe, its a matter individual science(his interpitation) is, he also, disagrees and discards all others, including other scientists. In this case, its published that several monitor species experience, nocturnal behaviors(activity), but of course, he discards things he does not agree with.



Please understand, all this is normal behavior for humans in many walks of life, but like many of these walks, we the doers, have actual results, and they the thinkers, have none. Until he can consistantly show results of his theories, then hes simply a wantabe(as far as keeping monitors is concerned) Again please understand, theres nothing wrong with that.



What you should question is, why his he pretenting to know, when he has done nothing to actually learn from. He has only read and theres nothing wrong with reading, its a darn good start. Thanks FR

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