"If you 'they're all the same' guys want to interbreed these closely related members of the same subspecies for whatever purposes who cares? "



Wouldn't the 'inbreeding' be much more severe from 'suriXsuri' than 'guyanaXsuri'?? Come on man.







"and why is this so important now?."



Nothing is important... they're just snakes man. However, you and a couple others state that you can identify the differences... maybe I'm blind here... but give me some solid evidence. The patterns run the same gambit, as do the colors, the skeletal structure is identical, as well as the scale count and all behavioral attributes. There is simply nothing that I can identify to seperate these animals... you claim there is... what EXACTLY is it... BEYOND what some importer tells you to pasify your desire to have them be different, if only in your mind.





"And what's next? all other Boa are also alike?"



Don't be silly, we are just asking a simpe question, and people are getting riled up instead of offering a concrete answer.





"Admit it, there are differences.. "



Well, not to be a broken record... but... LIKE WHAT? What ARE these concrete differences that you place your intesgrity as a locale expert on, to CLEARLY differentiate between what yo uare claiming is 2 seperate locales.





" What I think you're saying is you're so right and people like me are so very wrong.. here's a surprise for you, SO WHAT?"



I'll happily wear some egg on my face if some form of evidence can be coughed up.





"and if nuts like me say we can see it.. NaNaNaNaNaaaaNa! ..."



Ah, thet's excellent. The neener neener defense... brilliant.







"What are we supposed to prove next.. the existence of air.. "Well, I sure can't see it!!"





Air, just like boas can be measured, analyzed and scientifically described. I can't see air on earth, or air on mars, but they both have it. There is however scientific factual evidense that we can use to compare the attributes of both are samples, and deduce they are infact both air, however radically different.





"Now some of those same proud owners attack me and others calling us 'rookies' because we apply the same scrutiny and discrimination to our Suriname or Guyana projects."



Well you are the one deciding that comment was aimed at you. Prove me wrong Gus. I don't for one second doubt your credibility, reputation, or experience. Just gimmie the fact, how am I wrong... not a vague blanket response, but EXACTLY, what is wrong with the statement "they are one and the same snake". Suriname, guyana, and Frech Guiana sit on a geographic area known as the Guyana Highlands, or the Guyana Shield. This region approximates the land mass of Peru. Peruvians are a locality on to themselves... CLEARLY diffenent in pattern if not body characteristics than the eastern basin, or Guyana Highland (norther) forms of BCC. Anyone can see this. The 'difference' between an Iquitos, or a Pucallpa.. is nill. One could satisfy his own desire to differentiate them by calling them 'sub' locales perhaps. But, there are equadorians, iquitos, etc etc yadda yaddda, and they are the same. There are occurances of qualities of all the 'peruvian types' in all these groups. I say the same of the northerns. I say there ARE no suris or guyanas, or french guianas, there are only 'Northerns'. Again, I say this because I have seen all qualities in all populations. Suri and guyana are SMALL counties, seperated by absolutley nothing, all qualities of norther BCC come and go in 'both' populations... What is it exactly that I am not seeing. Im not to proud to say I'm wrong by any stretch.. I just need some good concrete to put my neck out on... so far there hasnt been anything outside of 'I can see a difference'.



I can see a difference between any given two people...AND I can TELL YOU what that difference IS.



Id you want to get offended and be argumentative, that's your choice.. but lets back it up with what the real question is here.



Cheers all, and remember, THEY ARE JUST SNAKES







.. that's silly at best and dishonest at the worst..

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• What is driving this manufactured contoversy over Suriname and Guyana boas? - RioBravoReptiles, Thu Feb 17 15:26:21 2005
• i agree.....................more - koky6869, Thu Feb 17 16:09:54 2005
• RE: What is driving this manufactured contoversy over Suriname and Guyana b - obz, Thu Feb 17 16:09:56 2005
• Apology in advance for the lack of spell check. - obz, Thu Feb 17 16:17:49 2005
• lol.. i just hope some dont take you misspelling stuff as ......... - koky6869, Thu Feb 17 16:20:23 2005
• I can say with utmost certainty that..>> - drimes, Thu Feb 17 16:31:47 2005
• And just to be thorough... - obz, Thu Feb 17 16:32:22 2005
• Cripes... again, that should read 'Mars's' not 'Mrs's' - obz, Thu Feb 17 16:33:11 2005
• RE: lmaooooo,Your ate up Denny!.....N/P - Hypoboa1, Thu Feb 17 16:39:39 2005
• RE: And just to be thorough... YOU FORGOT 1....... - Hypoboa1, Thu Feb 17 16:41:14 2005
• RE: What is driving this manufactured contoversy over Suriname and Guyana boas? - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 16:41:34 2005
• Well.. - RioBravoReptiles, Thu Feb 17 17:03:58 2005
• That's a pretty boa... - RioBravoReptiles, Thu Feb 17 17:11:07 2005
• You know Gus................. - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 17:17:13 2005
• RE: You know John.............. - RioBravoReptiles, Thu Feb 17 17:37:39 2005
• One last thing.............. - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 17:37:55 2005
• RE: Well.. - obz, Thu Feb 17 17:38:01 2005
• Nice Guyurinam RTB!! n/p - sonoranreptile, Thu Feb 17 17:43:48 2005
• Well................. - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 17:45:05 2005
• So you get... - RioBravoReptiles, Thu Feb 17 17:50:32 2005
• Why don't you two guys.... - sonoranreptile, Thu Feb 17 17:55:18 2005
• Ha! Ha! ................. - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 17:57:41 2005
• you see ? thats not a guyana - koky6869, Thu Feb 17 18:29:25 2005
• Just out of curiousity........Koky - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 18:30:22 2005
• The differences are: - M n R-Reptile, Thu Feb 17 18:30:44 2005
• I SOLD THAT SNAKE TO JEFF.......... more - koky6869, Thu Feb 17 18:36:56 2005
• RE: I SOLD THAT SNAKE TO JEFF.......... more - madisonrecords, Thu Feb 17 18:45:18 2005
• RE: I SOLD THAT SNAKE TO JEFF.......... more - koky6869, Thu Feb 17 18:48:49 2005
• Thanks Eric. I'm just having a little fun! n/p - drimes, Thu Feb 17 19:21:16 2005
• I could have called it a Suriyanan then.... n/p - sonoranreptile, Thu Feb 17 20:20:41 2005
• I couldn't agree more Mike. - obz, Thu Feb 17 23:13:30 2005
• I don't think anyone doubts that... - mci, Fri Feb 18 00:05:17 2005
• On this map, do you see the line between Surinam and Guyana? - sonoranreptile, Fri Feb 18 07:13:32 2005
• RE: What is driving this manufactured contoversy over Suriname and Guyana b - ChrisGilbert, Fri Feb 18 07:47:27 2005
• What more can be said. - SurinameMan, Fri Feb 18 19:24:36 2005
• Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - SurinameMan, Fri Feb 18 19:33:46 2005