"I have nothing to prove to you, you are the one making claims and calling names..."



Again, I never called anyone person anything. My point was it seems niave at best to claim they are different. Especially when you can't SAY what the difference is.



"and who said anything about inbreeding?"



You did gus... I was quoting you. Go back and read your post.



"What are you saying, we should breed Sonoran Boas to Guiana snakes to avoid inbreeding?"



breed whatever you like man. I've got no hangups.

Doesn't sound like an attractive mix to me though.



"Look, friend.. here's a question for you. B. constrictor c. exist all the way from the eastern highlands of Colombia to the atlantic ocean and south in a non-contiguous range potentially comprising millions of square miles. Do you see any difference at all in a redtail from southern Brazil and one from Guyana or Venezuela or Colombia?"



Surely. At this point you are describing an exponentially larger land mass. You are also introducing an incomparable refference to avoid simply answering the question at hand.



"the general change in color, tone, pattern and pattern elements from west to east to south to north is what drives people to seek out these different populations of animals."



Now we're getting somewher, but not very far due to the vagueness. Are you saying general color tones are exlusive to one country or another?



"And.. as we get them we notice similarities and differences and they go beyond how many saddles they have (though that is also a characteristic somewhat unique, to a greater or lesser extent, to Boa across their geographical range).."



So what ARE these saddle differences?





"Now if you want to argue that along the international border between Suriname and Guyana these differences are weak to non-existent.. that's an obvious truth!"



You're getting me all wrong. I dont WANT to argue anything. I stated an opinion posts ago, you said I was wrong, or at least stated the exact opposite opinion. I'm always hungry for knowlege, not debate. I'm conversing. I respect your carrerr and accomplishments, but not so much that I wouldn't ask you to back up a given claim.







"'Guyana boas and Suriname boas are all identical' ... That's insupportable nonsense just like saying all imperator Boa or even all occidentalis are identical."



Well, Imperator is a SSP. Much to vague of an SSP at that. I would never state that Mexican and Hogs, and Colombian BCI are the same. There are obvious, verifiable differences. What I'm saying is there is no difference between Suris and Guyanas (locales of the same SSP). I also say there is no difference between an Iquitos, a Pucallpa, and a generic Peruvian. Same snake. I can CLEARLY recognize the differnce between the peruvian type and the guyana shield type... both are BCC. And I would happily TELL you what I see as far as the differences.





"Of course if you're sitting on data and images you've collected from your trips down there on animals you've seen and photographed in the wild from all corners of those countries and info on breeding and litter-size and other behaviours from colonies of these animals that you've nurtured from known locales in either region.. don't keep us in suspense! Share the good news!"



So you're plainly eluding to your deduction that I've never been. Maybe I have and maybe I haven't... but we all KNOW you have. So.. TELL us. I don't have mountains of data. I have though had a NUMBER of both suris and guyanas. And NONE are verifiable... some are imports, some are CBB. They all run the gambit of looks, obviously conforming more or less to my personal tastes.



YOU share the good news. Again Gus, I'm making no attacks, nor am I fueled by a desire to argue... I just simply want to know, in all honesty, whay you claim the deffinative difference is. Irespect completley your record and acomplishments, but you're acting like a politician right now...
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