Pantherophis obsoletus obsoletus X obsoletus quadrivittata.



But according to CNAH, there is discussion of calling all rat snakes east of the Apalachicola river the Eastern rat snake or Pantherophis alleghaniensis. This will lump the everglades, yellow, grey, and all intergrades into one species!!! If you think that is crazy, they are talking about lumping all gray and black rats, to include intergrades that occur west of the Apalachicola to the Mississippi river, the Midland rat snake, or Pantherophis spiloides!!! Then all of the rat snakes west of the mississippi, to include the black rat and texas rat, the Western rat snake, or Pantherophis obsoletus obsoletus!!!! Absolute madness!!!!



If you dont believe it, read it for yourselves!!! Here is the link!!



Eastern rat snake - http://www.cnah.org/detail.asp?id=130



Midland rat snake - http://www.cnah.org/detail.asp?id=133



And Western rat snake - http://www.cnah.org/detail.asp?id=128



Read it and weep!!

Brian





>>Formerly Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta x

>>obsoleta quadrivittata

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>>Now pantherophis ????

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>>Thank you (Darn new books, changing the scientific names...)

>>

>>L
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RATS

1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)

1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)

1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)

1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)

1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)

0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)

1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)

1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)



RACERS

1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)



KINGS

1.1 California king snake "Bandit and Moonstar" (Coastal phase)

1.0 Prairie king snake "Bishop" (KY locale)

0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)

1.0 Desert Kingsnake "Gambit"

0.1 Florida Kingsnake



MILKS

0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)

0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)

Good luck and Happy Herping

Brian

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• Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - langly2112, Sat Mar 19 19:49:12 2005
• RE: Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - Hotshot, Sat Mar 19 20:33:07 2005
• RE: Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - Langly2112, Sat Mar 19 23:22:37 2005
• If you rat snake hobbyists have not read my post below, might want to!!! - Hotshot, Sat Mar 19 20:40:25 2005
• Thank you!! ^_^ - Langly2112, Sun Mar 20 15:40:44 2005
• Struggling with the Latin names.... - Terry Cox, Sun Mar 20 08:45:55 2005
• RE: Struggling with the Latin names.... - Langly2112, Sun Mar 20 15:31:26 2005
• RE: Struggling with the Latin names.... - Elaphefan, Tue Mar 22 14:23:59 2005
• Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - jtibbett, Sun Mar 20 12:51:16 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Hotshot, Sun Mar 20 15:57:52 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Terry Cox, Sun Mar 20 16:39:24 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Hotshot, Sun Mar 20 18:36:56 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Elaphefan, Mon Mar 21 23:52:53 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Terry Cox, Tue Mar 22 05:06:15 2005
• Elaphe has been replaced by Pantherophis and will be used in the 6th... - Hotshot, Tue Mar 22 09:20:47 2005
• RE: Elaphe has been replaced by Pantherophis and will be used in the 6th... - Elaphefan, Tue Mar 22 14:19:22 2005