Thanks for the info on the Latin usage. That will come in handy.

Pantherophis hasn't replaced Elaphe in the literature, yet, but isn't that because the new literature is so slow in coming out, that the verdict is still out? Think about how long we waited before the Utiger et. al. paper(2002) came out. Hobbyists had wanted a separation of New World vs. Old World ratsnakes for a long time. We have a choice whether we want to use Pantherophis or stick with the old Elaphe name. IMO, there are a lot of votes for each choice.

I agree there should be more respect for the scientists, even when you don't agree with what they are proposing. The literature is most useful when making an argument for something and you want to have scientific backup for your arguments. I don't agree with the idea of dropping all subspecies names and just going with species, but I'm not going to trash the scientists who follow this reasoning. There's always going to be arguments bt. the scientists too, about which concept to follow, and sometimes those can be the nastiest of all.

Later....TC

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• Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - langly2112, Sat Mar 19 19:49:12 2005
• RE: Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - Hotshot, Sat Mar 19 20:33:07 2005
• RE: Need new latin name for Greenish Ratsnake - Langly2112, Sat Mar 19 23:22:37 2005
• If you rat snake hobbyists have not read my post below, might want to!!! - Hotshot, Sat Mar 19 20:40:25 2005
• Thank you!! ^_^ - Langly2112, Sun Mar 20 15:40:44 2005
• Struggling with the Latin names.... - Terry Cox, Sun Mar 20 08:45:55 2005
• RE: Struggling with the Latin names.... - Langly2112, Sun Mar 20 15:31:26 2005
• RE: Struggling with the Latin names.... - Elaphefan, Tue Mar 22 14:23:59 2005
• Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - jtibbett, Sun Mar 20 12:51:16 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Hotshot, Sun Mar 20 15:57:52 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Terry Cox, Sun Mar 20 16:39:24 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Hotshot, Sun Mar 20 18:36:56 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Elaphefan, Mon Mar 21 23:52:53 2005
• RE: Quick question while everyone's talking taxonomy. . . - Terry Cox, Tue Mar 22 05:06:15 2005
• Elaphe has been replaced by Pantherophis and will be used in the 6th... - Hotshot, Tue Mar 22 09:20:47 2005
• RE: Elaphe has been replaced by Pantherophis and will be used in the 6th... - Elaphefan, Tue Mar 22 14:19:22 2005