(part two)what "I" think is going on with government.they want "full control" of everything you do.the north eastern states started it thirty years ago with a more socialistic form of thinking.they want to be able to pick and choose who gets to do what.you "can?" get a permit.but like any thing else you need government aproval for,if you jump threw hoops and kiss their a--.they don't care about you,me or the persuit of happiness.that is why their regulations are grey.they don't want anything in black and white it would leasten their authority.that is why to get a permit to keep a "captive bred bog turtle" for hobbyists is the same as a scientist asking to have a wild bog turtle to study. they don't want private individuals doing anything like this.believe me they look down their noses with contempt for our hobby. they don't see any value in "us" keeping turtles or anything alive outside outside its habitat,unless its a zoo.i also think if bog turtles went extinct in the wild for what ever reason,they wouldn't mobilize the private sector to ask for help.it would be beneath them.they would just seize them and justify it.believe me i have heard al their excuses why they can't change the regulations,they are all lame and don't hold water.most hobbyists know all of this.that is why everyone keeping "legally captive bred bog turtles" stay under ground.if "YOU" inquire about a permit "YOU" are under suspision.they call it red flagged and your put in their data base like me.they figure "a tiger can't change their stripes".their are alot of informents out their"alot".they used to be like us,but were raided and cut a deal to keep their stuff.and they have to keep informing because they never are issued a permit."they are owned".well for me("I"would rather die on my feet than live on my knees"period than make a deal with the devil.this is a cat and mouse game to them.to find people without a permit and bust them repeatedly(like drug busts alot of these c.o. oficers get off on it.)it makes "our' hobby look bad in the public eye.if we want to change the regulations to clearly distinguish,we will have to mobilize and lobby or nothing will ever change(it will get worse).and i know people are afraid to get involved"i totally understand".or at least it happens to enough people that "WE" have nothing to lose.(quote)all we have to fear is fear itself.isn't it about time our government goes back working for our people.if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.GOD BLESS and enjoy life.D.N.A.

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