I hate to bring bad news in this season of new life but I think it is important to inform the boa community when things don't go well so maybe something can be learned from it.



I was doing my usual Saturday morning cleaning when I noticed one of my gravid females was restless. The activity increased until she seemed frantic. I was concerned because she was at 86 days POS and I was fearful of a premature birthing. I continued cleaning and handling other animals while keeping an eye on Marquita. She seemed to settle a bit so I went to the other side of the room. Soon I heard thrashing noises. She was having violent seizures. This hit especially close to home as I have witnessed my wife have seizures. It is something you never forget.



Marquita's episodes lasted for about 5 minutes and then she was still with her mouth ajar. I first believed that I should wait it out and that she would come out of the seizure as is common in humans. I observed carefully for signs of life but I became convinced that she had passed. My attention turned to the possibility of saving the babies. I had no experimence with premature baby boas and I didn't know if they could survive when born 19 days early. I opened Marquita and found 9 babies and 6 unfertilized eggs. The babies never took a breath. I observed nothing that would clearly indicate a cause of death. This is disheartening but I clearly understood that tragedy was possible when undertaking breeding trials. I think people new to the hobby should understand these risks as well.



What can be learned?

1. I would like to know if any other hobbyists have experience with boas suffering from seizures. Do we know of any causes? Do boas normally die after seizing?

2. Are there hobbyists that have experience with premature babies? Can we establish a timeline whereby survival is likely?



I do have photos but please use your judgement. These are not the type of photos that are usually shared here but I think they can be educational for some hobbyists. I chose not to include them directly in the this post. You must use the link if you decide to see them.



Good fortune to all those still awaiting babies. Appreciate the live, healthy ones. They have beaten the odds to make it that far.



Peace, gray




Caution, unsettling photos

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• If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to skip this post - gray, Sat Apr 23 09:04:25 2005
• Sorry to hear about your loss... - kirby, Sat Apr 23 09:14:26 2005
• Bill, thanks for your kind words and...... - gray, Sat Apr 23 09:25:32 2005
• Every breeders nightmare... - Rainshadow, Sat Apr 23 10:18:08 2005
• Like losing a friend - viperbitex, Sat Apr 23 17:01:57 2005
• RE: I am so sorry for your loss!An I personally 100% hate an understand ... - Hypoboa1, Sat Apr 23 10:20:33 2005
• RE: I am so sorry for your loss!An I personally 100% hate an understand ... - johnnyblazekfd, Sun Apr 24 11:15:05 2005
• RE: If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to skip this post - bthacker, Sat Apr 23 11:00:16 2005
• RE: If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to - ectothermz..., Sun Apr 24 01:14:27 2005
• Gray.. Sorry to hear about your girl - more - southernboids, Sat Apr 23 11:20:36 2005
• No Idea But.................. - 00235020, Sat Apr 23 16:31:33 2005
• unexpected deaths are always the worst. - srsnakes, Sat Apr 23 11:22:07 2005
• GOD only knows................ - madisonrecords, Sat Apr 23 11:22:50 2005
• RE: GOD only knows................ - stilltraining, Sat Apr 23 11:56:43 2005
• I am sorry to hear that............. - JohnLokken, Sat Apr 23 12:06:55 2005
• That really sucks, Gray....I'm sorry for... - Shane Kinney, Sat Apr 23 12:13:32 2005
• Something I've never forgotten. - neilm, Sat Apr 23 12:15:34 2005
• I'm so sorry this happened....n/p - Dove_3, Sat Apr 23 12:26:31 2005
• Sorry for the loss of your girl...> - drimes, Sat Apr 23 13:56:38 2005
• RE: If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to skip this post - sonoranreptile, Sat Apr 23 13:58:32 2005
• RE: If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to skip this post - Tracy Barker, Sat Apr 23 15:14:11 2005
• I Lost 2 Of My Best That Way.... - L.A.Snakes, Inc., Sat Apr 23 15:43:08 2005
• The encouragement and info is most appreciated..... - gray, Sat Apr 23 16:08:03 2005
• How sad. A tragedy like this makes us appreciate...> - LindaH, Sat Apr 23 20:16:29 2005
• I am truly sorry... n/p - SuppleReptiles, Sat Apr 23 21:41:26 2005
• Sorry for your loss Gray. I wish you the best of luck with the rest. np. - topnotchboas, Sun Apr 24 09:56:12 2005
• Seizure info - Chicagopsych, Sun Apr 24 16:51:42 2005
• RE: If you are expecting babies or are in a good mood......you may want to skip this post - lateralis, Mon Apr 25 10:42:40 2005