what's the locale? Last year a fellow had a hypo vulpina for sale. It was a very attractive animal and I was sorely tempted to get it. But I would be more inclined to go after a locale animal that differed from the gloydi in tending to a more straw yellow ground color. There was a nice looking animal like that on page 87 of Staszko and Walls' "Rat Snakes: A Hobbyist's Guide to Elaphe and Kin".

I have a completely unsupported and unresearched "theory" that the vulpina that most resemble the gloydi come from similar habitat near the Great Lakes and that the vulpina from drier locales differ the most in appearance and habits from gloydi. Of course this would be only common sense but since it doesn't have any scientific interest as a research project it isn't something I can find reference to in the literature. It would be interesting to hear from herpers in the midwest who have observed vulpina from different types of habitat to see if they confirm or refute my "theory".
Regards
John

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