what's the locale? Last year a fellow had a hypo vulpina for sale. It was a very attractive animal and I was sorely tempted to get it. But I would be more inclined to go after a locale animal that differed from the gloydi in tending to a more straw yellow ground color. There was a nice looking animal like that on page 87 of Staszko and Walls' "Rat Snakes: A Hobbyist's Guide to Elaphe and Kin".

I have a completely unsupported and unresearched "theory" that the vulpina that most resemble the gloydi come from similar habitat near the Great Lakes and that the vulpina from drier locales differ the most in appearance and habits from gloydi. Of course this would be only common sense but since it doesn't have any scientific interest as a research project it isn't something I can find reference to in the literature. It would be interesting to hear from herpers in the midwest who have observed vulpina from different types of habitat to see if they confirm or refute my "theory".
Regards
John

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• E. Fox snake breeders? - swwit, Wed Apr 27 07:37:38 2005
• RE: E. Fox snake breeders? - duffy, Wed Apr 27 18:10:54 2005
• RE: E. Fox snake breeders? - Steve_Craig, Wed Apr 27 18:20:46 2005
• I seem to have set off the commercial post detector... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 11:41:39 2005
• RE: I seem to have set off the commercial post detector... - Snakesunlimited1, Thu Apr 28 18:33:20 2005
• Nah, it's okay.... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 20:38:40 2005
• Wow. - Steve_Craig, Thu Apr 28 20:42:21 2005
• Steve, both my easterns and my westerns ... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 20:59:58 2005
• RE: Steve, both my easterns and my westerns ... - jtibbett, Thu Apr 28 21:03:46 2005
• The westerns have a much larger range and ... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 21:54:09 2005
• Buyer beware 1 - BillMcgelaphe, Fri Apr 29 23:43:32 2005
• Buyer Beware 2 - BillMcgelaphe, Fri Apr 29 23:47:44 2005
• Bill, nice vulpina... - jfirneno, Sun May 1 09:35:39 2005
• RE: Bill, nice vulpina... - BillMcgElaphe, Sun May 1 11:08:56 2005
• Well if you are embarassed then I should be downright ashamed... - jfirneno, Sun May 1 12:01:01 2005
• Hi, John.... - Terry Cox, Tue May 3 04:57:29 2005
• Hey there Terry... - jfirneno, Wed May 4 20:50:20 2005
• RE: Hey there Terry... - Terry Cox, Thu May 5 05:08:11 2005