None of my breeders are self caught. I like your thought about a call to locality photos. And Terry Cox, John Meltzer and a few others on this forum could definitely contribute. They are first-hand witnesses to where these snakes live and how they act and look.

As far as research, I'm more of a kibitzer. What I wish is that someone would do an exhaustive "coffee table" book on the american ratsnakes. Something that adds onto the nice sections that K D Schulz had in his monograph on Elaphe. It could have all the regional variation in obsoleta and the other ratsnakes, all the captive morphs and lots of scientific articles by various experts. It would sell a ton (I think).

Thanks for the links. Look at the color variation even among those few pictures you linked. Very interesting snakes I think.

Regards
John Firneno

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