None of my breeders are self caught. I like your thought about a call to locality photos. And Terry Cox, John Meltzer and a few others on this forum could definitely contribute. They are first-hand witnesses to where these snakes live and how they act and look.

As far as research, I'm more of a kibitzer. What I wish is that someone would do an exhaustive "coffee table" book on the american ratsnakes. Something that adds onto the nice sections that K D Schulz had in his monograph on Elaphe. It could have all the regional variation in obsoleta and the other ratsnakes, all the captive morphs and lots of scientific articles by various experts. It would sell a ton (I think).

Thanks for the links. Look at the color variation even among those few pictures you linked. Very interesting snakes I think.

Regards
John Firneno

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• E. Fox snake breeders? - swwit, Wed Apr 27 07:37:38 2005
• RE: E. Fox snake breeders? - duffy, Wed Apr 27 18:10:54 2005
• RE: E. Fox snake breeders? - Steve_Craig, Wed Apr 27 18:20:46 2005
• I seem to have set off the commercial post detector... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 11:41:39 2005
• RE: I seem to have set off the commercial post detector... - Snakesunlimited1, Thu Apr 28 18:33:20 2005
• Nah, it's okay.... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 20:38:40 2005
• Wow. - Steve_Craig, Thu Apr 28 20:42:21 2005
• Steve, both my easterns and my westerns ... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 20:59:58 2005
• RE: Steve, both my easterns and my westerns ... - jtibbett, Thu Apr 28 21:03:46 2005
• The westerns have a much larger range and ... - jfirneno, Thu Apr 28 21:54:09 2005
• Buyer beware 1 - BillMcgelaphe, Fri Apr 29 23:43:32 2005
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• Bill, nice vulpina... - jfirneno, Sun May 1 09:35:39 2005
• RE: Bill, nice vulpina... - BillMcgElaphe, Sun May 1 11:08:56 2005
• Well if you are embarassed then I should be downright ashamed... - jfirneno, Sun May 1 12:01:01 2005
• Hi, John.... - Terry Cox, Tue May 3 04:57:29 2005
• Hey there Terry... - jfirneno, Wed May 4 20:50:20 2005
• RE: Hey there Terry... - Terry Cox, Thu May 5 05:08:11 2005